Israel didn’t offer a ceasefire. They offered a pause.
A pause in a war is called what exactly?
Oh, ceasefire. Huh.
There’s a specific definition here though
A pause indicates a temporary stop to advancing with no obligation to stop shooting
While a ceasefire is they stop shooting.
If Israel broke a ceasefire it could be seen as worse than essentially unpausing the conflict.
It’s all wording, semantics and ultimately drivel but that’s politics and diplomacy.
Why does the article call the people held by Israel “prisoners”, but the people held by Palestine “hostages”?
I mean, having a hostage generally implies your intent is to hold that person captive in exchange for a demand being fulfilled, after which point you at least claim that you will release them. Presumably, Israel doesnt intend or claim that it will release those it has imprisoned even if it gets what it wants, so calling them hostages wouldnt really be accurate. One could call the people held by Hamas prisoners too I suppose, since that just implies them to be held against their will, but as they are explicitly being held in order to be used as a bargaining chip, calling them hostages adds more information about the situation than just calling them prisoners too would.
You make sense, and I sort of agree so I won’t downvote and just add my bit. The “prisoners” are definitely being used as negotiation leverage in every discussion with Hamas.
I know this goes against the grain of what is being portrayed but a prisoner is also someone who has done something wrong where a hostage is totally innocent
In that case, given that many of the people kept by Israel have never seen the inside of a courtroom, that would be a biased use of “prisoner.”
I agree there would be more innocent people than average in those prisons. I’m not under any illusion there aren’t some really awful people in there too.
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Israel forcibly dragged Palestinians out of their homes and took them to unknown locations. Arrested versus abducted is a distinction without a difference.
Israel isn’t rehabilitating anyone in West Bank or Gaza, they are keeping them in cramped rooms with no access to lawyers or families and are held months without charges.
Your comment just doesn’t reflect reality. Ben-Gvir invited reporters to see prisoners and bragged that he’s intentionally starving them in captivity as revenge for hostages.
The Israeli prisoners were detained and arrested.
The Israelis held by Hamas have been given many more rights than the average Palestinian prisoner.
This is an outright lie, Palestinians are being amputated because of zipties to their limbs
Again, Israel has no interest in “rehabilitating” its hostages, whereas Hamas is specifically offering to release theirs.
At worst this is hostages on both sides. Your assessment only proves how much more hospitable Hamas have been to its captives than Israel, even at a time of war and famine brought on by Israel’s onslaught.
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Go Google the NSFL photos of Israel running over prisoners and turning them into a smear of red and gore? So hospitable.
What lame whataboutism. Hasbara need to start training yall harder lmao
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- Palestinians are often “arrested” on dubious grounds and held without trial
- They are given no legal representation and often tortured
- Not much to add here, except that proper medical treatment is one hell of a lot harder in a place that’s actively being bombed
- There’s no attempt at habilitation being made towards Palestinian prisoners. They’re not even given a due process.
another source about the torture
So, how are they not hostages?
Point 1 l: that is just semantics so not really relevant. Hamas could have easily said that they arrested the Israeli hostages for a crime and it wouldn’t have changed anything.
Point 2: I’m not sure that the Palestinians held without charge have any functional rights.
Point 3: That’s just an assumption on both sides of this conflict. Hamas do have access to medical professionals and it is in their best interest to keep the hostages alive. Obviously, Israel does also have access to medical professionals but I’m not sure that the Palestinians have free access to them either. I’d hope that Israel would give medical attention when it’s needed but I don’t know.
Point 4: That’s just rubbish as a general definition of prisoner around the world and the Palestinian prisoners are definitely being used in the negotiations.
Depicting Oct. 7th as an arrest?
Yikes. You really hate Jews.
Is that any different than depicting the slaughter that’s occurred since then, with a body count over 10x higher, as ‘Israel arresting Palestinians?’
Was somebody classifying this war as nothing but arrests, or is that a mischaracterization? Be honest with me now.
The only person being dishonest here is you. The slaughtering of 1000 civilians at a music festival was abhorrent, and the slaughtering of 30,000 more civilians in response is 30x as abhorrent. Calling the capture and torture of individuals as “arrests” makes you no better than Cheney and Bush with their “enhanced interrogation” bullshit.
I get you are passionate but do you think there is a chance you should check to make sure you are responding to the correct people?
“We… reaffirm our adherence to our demands and the national demands of our people; with a permanent ceasefire, the withdrawal of the occupation army from the entire Gaza Strip, the return of the displaced to their areas and places of residence, intensification of the entry of relief and aid, and the start of reconstruction,” the Islamist faction said.
Not a single one of those seems unreasonable in the slightest and I can’t see why any of them should be withdrawn.
Because if they were serious about negotiating they would give on some points, the same goes for the Israeli government. Tbh to me it seems like neither Hamas nor the Israeli government has any interest in a ceasefire or pause or whatever you want to call it. This ongoing conflict serves their individual power agendas well.
What should they give?
Maybe they can accept a temporary ceasefire so Israel can continue later in the year?
Maybe they can let Israel stay in their land to continue to murder them?
Maybe they can let their people remain displaced and not allowed into their land?
Maybe they can let aid continue to be stifled so they starve?
Maybe they can postpone reconstruction and live in ruble to die of disease?
What should they give?
Ah right, the “how about we compromise and just have a little genocide” option
You’re right, and the French should’ve just let Germany have the northern half of their country, compromise guys!
They gave on some points back in November, and Israel broke the ceasefire and killed unarmed Palestinians. They don’t trust Israel to uphold their end once again.
Which of those points should they have given up?
Reuters still pushing Zionist propaganda 6 months in. Sad to see.
We all know israel is the only party rejecting an actual permanent ceasefire.
Wars generally end when one side surrenders.
Neither Israel nor Hamas wants to surrender, so there is no reason to expect a “permanent ceasefire”.
There have been multiple previous wars between Hamas and israel, and other parties like Lebanon, and it usually ends in a ceasefire.
Israel saying they want keep committing Genocide after a 6 week break and then occupy Gaza isn’t exactly a great deal.
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Don’t defend Hamas. They are a pure unadulterated terrorist group who would torture you to death because you aren’t a pure Muslim.
Since you’re writing uneducated nonsense and I’ll just bluntly assume you’re an Israel supporter. Here’s a copy-paste of my previous comments.
Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).
Now Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the actions Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 39-40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.
From this we can conclude that Hamas did not start this but Israel did and that Hamas is fighting back.
Israel is currently doing:
- Stealing land
- Ethnic cleansing
- Genocide
- Calling Palestinians rats, animals and more cruel things
- Wanting to erase the entire Palestinian race
- Lying to the world
- They think they are “superior” than Palestinian people
- They think and say that Palestinian people are, the “inferior” race
- Apartheid
- Sent Palestinian people jail/ prison for no reason (even kids)
- Beat Palestinian people for no reason or provoke to “get a reason”
Who’s the actual terrorist here?
I condemn both Israel and Hamas but if Israel had not stolen the land and murdered people from 1948 up until now. They (Hamas) would not even exist today. Hamas has become so violent, hateful and such because the world is just watching and doing nothing while Palestinians are getting murdered and humiliated on a daily basis.
The earliest inhabitants in recorded history were Judaic and spoke Hebrew. Seems you’re of the mind that Israel has no right to exist. You’re describing a warzone. Maybe tell your buddies in Hamas to stop using cities as human shields, oh wait they want the highest number of civilian casualties (Martyrs™) as possible because other than taking hostages, using human shields and hiding underground is their last cowardly leverage. Even Japan surrendered and they were an actual country.
Seems you’re of the mind that Israel has no right to exist.
Israel has a right to exist but not in the way they exist now. They exist through murdering, humiliating, apartheid, stealing land and genocide. If back in the day they politely asked the Palestinian people there to live together in peace. That would be an acceptable reason and right to exist.
So no, I don’t think Israel has a right to exist on the way they made the state. Because that means, Palestinians have no right anymore to their own land that was stolen.
It is and stays Palestinian land and the Palestinians have right to it. An occupier cannot become its owner. Never.
You’re describing a warzone. Maybe tell your buddies in Hamas to stop using cities as human shields, oh wait they want the highest June of civilian casualties as possible because other than taking hostages, human shields are is their last cowardly leverage. Even Japan surrendered and they were an actual country.
Got any trustable source for your claims of “human shields” and “highest civilian casualties”?
I always find it ironic how Israel supporters claim a lot but zero evidence to back it up and make things immensely personal. It seems Israel supporters cannot discuss without being emotional.
Not only that, it is Israel who has been murdering more than 30 000 civilians and not Hamas.
Also majority of the Israeli people don’t even want the Likud party anymore and they don’t believe in this “war”. This isn’t a war, this is a genocide. A military backed by US Vs a normal group that calls themselves Hamas.
Only 15% of Israelis want Netanyahu to keep job after Gaza war, poll finds | Reuters
Yes they built 500 mi of tunnels in an area only 25 miles wide. They put them under the homes of their families and friends and hold their families and friends to stay there and keep working, keep living, don’t mind the terror tunnels under your house.
That’s called using entire cities as human shields.
Then they told people the evacuations were a hoax and instead of leaving their building after getting a phone call from the IDF saying it’s about to be bombed, people should go stand on the roof instead.
So instead of giving actual answer with trustable sources; you come back with more claims without sources.
I cannot take you serious at all.
You can continue commenting but I refuse to comment back.
EDIT: hm. I still decided to respond back.
I’m not saying anything controversial. I don’t need citations for basic uncontroverted facts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_tunnel_warfare_in_the_Gaza_Strip
