• haui@lemmy.giftedmc.com
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    4 months ago

    I read today that crowdstrike already did this years ago and that the ceo apparently worked for mcaffee when they did the same. Maybe he should face some consequences for his actions.

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      4 months ago

      He won’t and chances are it wasn’t just a single persons fault. Also targeting a individual instead of a company is fairly problematic and not really something that is done.

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        4 months ago

        Do target individuals. CEOs should be responsible for neglect and rockstar culture.

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          I don’t think that should be the default. A company shouldn’t be able to just put the blame on a single person. Also if that were the case no one would want to be CEO.

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            Yeah the ceo gets credit for pumping a company up, but no we can’t possibly blame them for the company’s failures. This should be coming out of his paycheck/bonus.

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            A company shouldn’t be able to just put the blame on a single person.

            You misunderstand. The Justice department sould go after whatever executive or executives that allowed their company to be run so sloppily that something this destructive would occur, and you criminally charge them and make examples of them while simultaneously fining the company itself and opening it up to a flood of lawsuits that will put it entirely out of business, a deserved consequence for fucking up so badly that people fucking died.

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            There would definitely still be people that want the money/authority that comes from a CEO position, they would just be held to a standard. A company is not an organization or the processes that it follows, it is the people that create and carry out those processes. If you separate the responsibility for the company from the people that make up that company you allow mistakes without real consequences for those that had a part in causing it.

            Based on what I have heard the last day, the CEO of Crowdstrike created a culture of cutting corners in the organization he is responsible for that led to a reduced focus on QA testing which in turn let this bug slip into the production machines of a significant number of other companies and organizations counting on that not happening. If the responsibility for that mistake lies with something as nebulous as “the company” then the organization may close, but the people that were responsible would be separated from the consequences of their negligence and free to move on to any other company having learned they can do the same things without being harmed personally. That sounds less than ideal.

            I think the CEO should have some consequences. Maybe not jail time (although maybe if there were people in medical situations that died because the machines being used to keep them alive were bricked) but a real fine that impacts him personally may prompt a greater drive to organize the company to avoid the issue in the future, or prevent it at future companies.

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              I think any discipline should come from the board. It isn’t the governments place to dictate the company internals. They can structure how they like as long as they follow the laws. The liability falls onto the company and if the board gets pissed they can fire the CEO

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        Not sure what your experience with companies is but I‘ve built a couple and you absolutely go to jail if your company does certain things. Sadly, that still doesnt really apply often enough. Here’s a list of ceos that went to jail for their deeds: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/markets/10-ceos-who-went-boardroom-cell-block-flna783944

        The important part is that the „mistake“ that has happened is called negligence and if that happens multiple times (as it did), you should have put systems in place to not let it happen again.

        As I already mentioned, this doesnt apply often as large companies that make billions - and their ceos - have much better lawyers than average joe (even if joe owns a small company).

        The landscape of entrepreneurship looks vastly different from the normal legal system and money does make and break a lot. Only if you‘re either a huge idiot or steal a lot of shit, you go in no matter your resources.

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      Everyowkring from home and access to on-site locations are limited, imagine the chaos of everyone at their office having to travel to IT to fix their PC, or IT traveling to locations with problems while trying to maintain isolation rules.

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      Crowdstrike is very entrenched in healthcare. Hospitals were routinely at capacity in 2020.

      The outage this weekend probably killed some people due to disruptions in delivering care. It definitely would have then.