A record number of athletes openly identifying as LGBTQ+ are competing in the 2024 Paris Olympics, a massive leap during a competition that organizers have pushed to center around inclusion and diversity.
There are 191 athletes publicly saying they are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, queer and nonbinary who are participating in the Games, according to Outsports, an organization that compiles a database of openly queer Olympians. The vast majority of the athletes are women.
That number has quashed the previous record of 186 out athletes counted at the COVID-19-delayed Tokyo Olympics held in 2021, and the count is only expected to grow at future Olympics.
“More and more people are coming out,” said Jim Buzinski, co-founder of Outsports. “They realize it’s important to be visible because there’s no other way to get representation.”
I have a very real problem with any guy ever competing in a woman’s sport. It’s a hard line that should never be crossed. Your biological sex at birth is quite valid, there is no discussion on this topic in the realm of sanity.
This is the line that most sane people also draw, and if you think otherwise you need to get off the Internet.
The sports organizations which allow trans atheletes do exactly that. Example:
https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/uploads/legal-documents/049-9_exhibit_i.pdf
“the International Olympic Committee (IOC) determined criteria by which a transgender woman may be eligible to compete in the female category, requiring total serum testosterone levels to be suppressed below 10 nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to and during competition.”
Good enough for the Olympics? Good enough for me!
Shows how insane our society has become.
The IOC isn’t exactly “our society”.
Depends how you look at it I guess.
Trans women/girls aren’t “guys” - GTFO with that!
If the only puberty someone goes through is a female puberty, where does their advantage come from? Hormone blockers exist for a reason and they do a really good job at delaying puberty for younger trans people.
What you’re saying is, that trans women/girls who have gone through a transition before puberty are physically equal to born women. You clearly agree that there must be some regulation at least onto when the transition happened.
The sports organizations which allow trans atheletes do exactly that. Example:
https://www.aclu.org/wp-content/uploads/legal-documents/049-9_exhibit_i.pdf
“the International Olympic Committee (IOC) determined criteria by which a transgender woman may be eligible to compete in the female category, requiring total serum testosterone levels to be suppressed below 10 nmol/L for at least 12 months prior to and during competition.”
Good enough for the Olympics? Good enough for me!
I didn’t say that, but the point I was getting across was that systemglitch is drawing this black and white box that isn’t the world we live in.
People have different kinds of transition stories and that’s OK. As of today the Olympics does have regulations in place. I’m not an expert on what those are, I just know they do take into consideration more than what systemglitch is thinking they should do. (Also, intersex people do exist and again these are situations the Olympics has to account for.)
Sorry to correct, but it absolutely is the world we live in. You’re fighting to change it.
End of the day, transitioning has many downsides and massive toll. Sorry, but maybe competing has to be one of them. Your example of pre puberty child that then goes to compete doesn’t exist, right? Every example brought up is about someone who transitioned after their bodies were “done” growing.
As you said, don’t paint it black and white when there is whole lot of grey on both sides.
Why does competing need to be a downside of transitioning? Why does transitioning need any or more downsides?
The original post in this thread was entirely black and white, saying it should be decided at birth. Where’s the nuance there?
Where are the trans athletes that are ruining female sports at? Shouldnt we have at least something real to be afraid of? What about men’s sports? Noone wants to talk about trans males for some reason, why dont you take issue with them?
Simply, tough.
I’m not writing an essay to address your numerous of accusations because that’s been done to death. You’re not interested anyway and only want to argue in bad faith. You’re just fishing for a gotcha. If all you want is a reason for you to justify dismissing comments, why not just move on?
There’s also the fact that there are hormone variations across cisgender people.
Wasn’t there some sort of controversy a few years ago where a cis woman participant(cant remember if it was the olympics or not)tested high in her natural testosterone levels and was prevented from competing because it gave her an advantage or something?
So it’s possible for some cis women to have naturally higher testosterone levels than some trans women.
Hormones are a lot more complex than we think and I feel like all these keyboard endocrinologists are overconfident in their understanding of hormones and how they effect the body.
Experts are still studying this stuff, and if they say there’s no significant advantage I’m inclined to believe them. Besides, most anti trans people didn’t give a fuck about women’s sports until it gave them an opportunity to be hateful.
This.
Trust the expert and the studies. Opinions equals shit against the reality.
If you had a look at the actual statistics, with measures such as “be on hormones for at least X months before competing” in place: Middling athletes stay middling, shoddy stay shoddy, stellar ones stay stellar. If Michael Phelps transitioned and then competed and won it wouldn’t be because of being born as a man, but because he’s a genetic freak. Ideal limb structure, something about his lactose processing, you name it, he’s been born with tons of advantages.
Which brings me to another point: No, the competitions have never been fair. Grit and determination is necessary, but definitely not sufficient, to win the Olympics. Athletes transitioning to get an edge? I believe it when transphobes demonstrate it, under doctor’s supervision, on themselves. More likely they’d off themselves due to dysphoria before they could even dream of competing.
You’re pissing into the wind here. This crowd is heavy with animal fuckers and confused little cunts
Children tend to have parity up until a certain point, I believe thats where some of the concern is at.
Why do you think the exact gender needs to be nailed down right at birth?
Well since trans women are women and not men that shouldn’t be a problem.
What a weird thing to worry about. Stop being weird.
Except the whole thing about their natural physiology. People who were born as men just have a more powerful physiology than women. This doesn’t change during or after transitioning. Sorry, but you’re being weird here.
Trans men are men dressed as women, and nearly every person who looks at them thinks… Oh there’s a man dressed as a woman. I best be careful what I say around them because they always look for someone to call a bigot. Go fuck yourselves.
Go back to reddit pls
Very inclusive of you.
Why would I want to include bigots / trolls?
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