He now has 100 problems
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How is this not a criminal charge…
I feel like going civil route is diluting the gravity of what actually went down.
Where did they find 13 year old to rape?
Where are fucking parents of these children?
Between CEO getting executed and another elite child rapist… Who fucking rules us?
Who fucking rules us?
Sociopaths mostly I’d say.
There’s a great Tom Waits song called God’s away on business with some pertinent lyrics:
who are the ones we left in charge? Killers, thieves and lawyers
Great song btw.
That’s from Waits’ stage adaptation of the famous German unfinished manuscript Woyzeck (Voy-chek), it was a song from act 1 setting the scene in which a working class man would be toyed with and experimented on by high society and the army, driven to madness and killing his wife and himself.
I don’t know details of this, but when the lawyer had a press conference announcing info the first 100 lawsuits, he mentioned that a lot of the crimes were reported to authorities at the time, but for whatever reason, the crimes weren’t pursued.
Oh I can tell you why.
Bingo.
I chose to use the word authorities and not cops specifically because it isn’t just cops that don’t care about the wellbeing of women. It’s incredibly frustrating for that to be the case in the year 2024, but it’s true.
Jay agrees:
“These allegations are so heinous in nature that I implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one!! Whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away, would you not agree?” Carter said in a statement to NBC News. “These alleged victims would deserve real justice if that were the case.”
Yeah becuase he knows it can’t be proven beyond reasonable doubt now and the has money to fight it.
They did get a conviction v Weinstein though.
Burden of proof is much higher in a criminal case. It’s very hard to prosecute people for crimes that occurred 20+ years ago, but with a civil suit they are probably hoping for a settlement. Based on his statement, sounds like that’s not going to happen.
And that’s why crimes should be reported when they happen so proper evidence is collected.
I deff think Jay z did due to Diddy affiliation but this is he said, she said now.
Diddy was affiliated with every rapper in NYC back then. I don’t think we can assume that everyone who ever associated with him shared his predelictions.
I think Jay probably got looped in on the lawsuit because they know he was at the party and he is filthy rich.
I don’t think we can assume that everyone who ever associated with him shared his predelictions.
That’s exactly what I am assuming going forward though.
These celebrities don’t deserve any deference, they over stayed their welcome in the public sphere and somebody is disposing of them.
It looks like they are all compromised though. So fuck 'em.
The allegations are that J raped her and then Diddy raped her while an unnamed female celebrity watched.
The statute of limitations is likely over
In thought that child abuse is exempt from it
Statutes vary wildly by state, with the exception of murder.
If you read the article, the alleged victim says she went to the VMAs without a ticket and started asking limo drivers if she could get into an afterparty. Diddy’s driver said she looked like what Diddy wanted.
Because a criminal trial is an all-or-nothing charge, and if you fail to convince 1 juror, Jay-Z gets zero punishment for raping a 13 year old. Your odds of winning a civil trial over rape is much higher, and even if the defendant puts up a good case, you won’t walk away empty handed.
You can do both a criminal and a civil charge. Failing to convict on a criminal charge doesn’t mean a civil case will go the same way. See OJ for example.
The allegations are that she was hanging out by the stage door after a show. Maybe she wanted an autograph or to meet her idol? But even if she specifically sought out these men because she wanted to have sex with them, and even if her parents were wildly irresponsible, there is no excuse for drugging and raping a child.
I didn’t expect Jay-Z to get roped into this. But he’s a big time musician and they seem to have felt like they can get away with raping teenage groupies for many decades now.
Makes me wonder how BIG would fit into all of this if he was still alive. I’m thinking it wouldn’t be good for him either.
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I’m sorry… are you saying it’s not their fault that they raped teenagers because it didn’t occur to them to ask them their age?
Despite a history of music stars raping teenagers going back to at least Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis in the 1950s?
What absolute nonsense.
Sounds like people have known for a while and haven’t prevented kids from being around them.
Why do you think that is an excuse for rape?
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If sex act proven to have happened, it is statutory rape. Groupie or not, consent or no consen.
Ain’t a crime if you got the dough. Arrest the guy who brought her to the house. He’s not rich. That’s a crime.
No. It should be for rape. If he did it, he raped her. An adult having sex with a 13-year-old is rape.
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I think the difference between a 13 year old and an 18 year old is generally pretty obvious and if you can’t tell then don’t even risk it.
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That’s a not a defense to statutory rape though
If sex act happened, it is rape.
It’s not a crime for rich people
That’s the current practice but there is no legal exemption for them on the books.
Also it seems owner class is ready to get rid of these sex pests now for some reason
The sex pest just got elected. It’s the opposite of what you think. Fewer cases of RICH people will be tried.
Lol this is the hill you’re going to die on? You can put any 13 year old in front of me and I’ll immediately know it’s a child, you know, because they are children.
This is not a good look.
Ew. You’re gross 🤢
Never meet your idols.
I seriously stopped being a fan of any public figure because people seeking to become one are 99% off-putting at least. Then come the narcissists and psychopaths, it gets only worse.Never meet your idols
Especially if you’re a teenage girl
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
Emotions aside, this seems like abuse of the legal system.
First, the lawsuit itself could be filed with little supporting evidence. Second, the burden of proof in a civil lawsuit is significantly less than a criminal one.
I don’t care for Jay Z, I don’t listen to his music and he’s got too much money, but this is borderline defamation in regards to the damage it will cause.
Trump’s rape of E. Jean Carroll was uncovered in a civil suit.
O.J. Simpson’s only punishment was via a civil suit.
Alex Jones got fined over a billion dollars for harassing the parents of dead children in a civil suit.
It’s not abuse of the legal system, it’s fighting abuse of the legal system. Trump, Simpson, Jones, Jay-Z… they can all buy themselves out of a criminal trial. A civil suit is a hell of a lot harder to get out of.
And I hate to tell you this if this wasn’t your intention, but this is some real “women are lying gold diggers” territory.
