I’m squidward in this one (EDIT: and occasionally sponge bob).

There’s something in the contrast between the high percentages of the “best country in the world” people that generally populate the US vs the lived experience of being in America and noticing the myriad ways in which it is decidedly not the fucking best.

That contrast is a killer, and I think adds to the motivation people have to shit on it.

This is America in general.

Sounds low

The “ritas” may be a dollar, but the bail money is where they really take you to the cleaners.

That doesn’t work for capitalism at scale, where they are eternally chasing profits by minimizing costs over everything else.

Everytime I watch one of those capitalist BJ shows (e.g. shark’s tank, Gordon Ramsey’s next food star, basically anything on CNBC, etc.), which I do far too often, and they ask the chum in the water whether or not the business can scale I think about how they’re really asking whether or not the product can eventually be made terribly enough to net them a new mega yacht.

The model “ate the onion”.

RFK Jr’s base everybody

Lol clutching pearls… What a laughably terrible way to describe people who are often burying their children or schoolmates and trying to prevent others from having to do the same.

It also is going to take another leap in algorithm.

It was a hard problem to solve when Google’s founders cracked it, but it’s an even harder problem to solve now that you have state of the art spam bots filling the Internet full of shit that looks like it was composed by humans.

If someone cracks how to figure out whether something is ai or not (for real, not the fake solutions we have now) and adds that to a good search algorithm and filters the fake shit by default, they will have a hell of a product on their hands.

You’d be like this guy if you made furniture: https://youtu.be/dTcvmmOkqJI

Good.

It’s not naive to think that corporations will continue to win the “AI” war. It’s actually pretty naive to think otherwise.

I also dunno why you think that all of the resources in oss AI will focus their efforts on making it easy to generate excellent, likely already illegal deep fake porn of random teenagers in “one click”.

I’ve been using oss for decades and almost nothing is that easy to do even when it could be. Why would people focus their efforts on this?

Also also, I don’t get why you think that generating AI porn of people around you is:

A) so much better than just watching the millions of hours of already available porn

B) anything even remotely similar to “seeing someone naked”

I think you again vastly overestimate how many people are going to run their own AI versus using a sanitized, policy-driven, managed platform version that’s cloud based (e.g. Dall-E and ChatGPT right now).

It’s possible today (and usually better) to do a lot of things locally, but yet still almost everything routes through an app to a platform on your smartphone and the few remaining things that don’t route through a platform using your phone’s browser.

I don’t even think that’s necessarily true. If you make it illegal and/or platforms ban it, you’re already taking a step toward making it more difficult to do.

I think throughout this thread you’re mistaking the technically possible for the probable or likely.

By making it illegal, you essentially eliminate the commercial incentive for making it easy. Every barrier to doing something makes it more unlikely that people will do it. I understand that there is an inherent motive for people to do it anyway, but, every hoop they have to jump through (e.g. setting up their “own, local AI”) reduces the likelihood of them doing it.

People don’t even run their own email servers, music servers, video servers, etc. etc. etc…most people don’t even “jail break” devices…many don’t even store a local cache of regular porn…why the hell would most people bother themselves with setting up a local generative AI instance for this purpose?

Outlawing it and banning it from platforms makes it much more within the realm of the creepy basement weirdo rather than something that is as inevitably ubiquitous as you’re saying it will be.

Policy is very often about reduction of harms rather than elimination of harms. It’s not the black and white realm that you’re trying to make it out to be.

And I don’t think you’re fully understanding that the above is some type of fantasy you have, and will not actually be what the future is like at all.

I’m curious as to why you cannot come up with any yourself, but here are a few from the top of my head: to pass them off as authentic (likely for clout purposes), to have a laugh with the boys about it, to collaborate with others on them, and to distribute them to harass, ridicule, or disparage the target of them.

Degenerates exist in lots of shapes and forms, and not all degenerates will have enough of a sense of shame to be degenerates privately or to even know they are being degenerates at all.

Once litterally every can just make them the moment they want to, no one will be sharing.

I do not think this is true. There are reasons to generate and distribute these other than to have a personal wank off gallery.

Aguing that since you do a crime with a tool, outlawing the crime outlaws the tool is a bad argument. Outlawing murder doesn’t outlaw knives.

As far as enforcement, it may be enforced with varying degrees of success but the argument that someone may get away with the crime also isn’t a reason not to make it a crime.

If someone created deep fakes using locally run models, rubbed one out and then deleted everything they probably wouldn’t be caught…but largely who cares that they didn’t? It’s the harm to others that it causes that you would largely like to prevent, and if a person didn’t distribute the image at all them “getting away with it” doesn’t matter much.

Edit: I think the argument that existing laws already cover this is more compelling than any of the above arguments as far as why this new law shouldn’t be passed.

These companies produce basically nothing of value anymore and continue to hem down on the people who produce anything of value.

QA goes first because who gives a shit if it works?

IT goes second because who gives a shit if it is maintained?

Dev goes third because who gives a shit if it is made?

Management goes last because who knew we couldn’t make money with no products, service, or quality control?