You are confusing taking a class with actually having ethics. No amount of attending a lecture about ethics will convince you if you do not, as a basic premise agree with the ethical principle that loss of life is a bad thing. And to be very clear, ethical principles are subjective. There is no objectively right or wrong thing as far nature is concerned.
Ethics class gives you tools to analyze a problem. Any good class is part of the philosophy department and leans on the classic philosphers approaches to analyze the problem. Many engineers would have no exposure to this otherwise and i think its a good part of any Universities’ engineering curriculum.
Classes don’t solve the problem entirely, but they’re a start and without them in this case a company so large and powerful that it has a space program and foreign policy planks is being guided by nothing but the intuition of someone who grew up spending money earned by child slaves and who thinks that scuttling an army’s mission in-progress is pacifism
And to be very clear, ethical principles are subjective. There is no objectively right or wrong thing as far nature is concerned.
Deonotlogists and other Moral Realists and Universalists are shook
But yeah, let’s imagine moral ontology was solved, and that moral relativism and nihilism are the only ethical theories around…
Funny story, the only ethics required in my engineering degree was a 2-day unit on our professional code of ethics. We had a 20-question true/false homework on it, and the thing about a professional code of ethics is it’s not super intuitive. Most of the class thought they could gut feel their way through it, but you actually had to read the code because the wording was very specific sometimes. When it turned out that everyone failed the homework, the professor let us try again.
Ethics!
I once had a chemistry professor who used to work as a senior drug researcher at a major pharmaceutical company. He often joked about how the company treated the monkeys used for testing far better than the PhDs. If a monkey suffered a negative reaction there was a major investigation. I’m incredibly surprised Musk can be killing monkeys left and right and hasn’t been thrown in jail.
Here is a cnn article about it.
Elon wasn’t really involved with it. A university was.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/17/business/elon-musk-neuralink-animal-cruelty-intl-scli/index.html
You mean someone went onto the internet just to tell lies? on purpose?!
And he wanted to put those in humans?!?
Correction… still does
No amount of ethics teaching will change the behaviour of a narcisistic psychopath like musk.
I used to think like that but looking back those classes were pretty fun
RIP to the monkeys. They deserved better.
I still think we should try it on musk himself. Those monkeys just didnt have moxie
Stop animal testing
Unfortunately there is no alternative
Cool, where should we test all the pet food and medical treatments for animals then?
Would you like them to test on you instead?
What’s the alternative?
Recognition that animal testing is actually pretty fucked up would be a good start toward funding research into alternatives, such as biological computer simulations.
We can simulate complex/chaotic systems, like weather, in nearly real-time, so biosim research is mainly a funding and staffing problem at this point.
Probably we’ll still need animal testing for the final phase before human trials, but we can at least reduce the need for it to bare minimums.
Yea stopping animal testing sounds great, but animal testing is the backbone of drug and medical breakthroughs. So at least for now that’s not possible
At least you get to take an ethics class. Mine was just about patents and Therac-25
He’s not even stem the dude is a business major freak
He’s a major freak. He paid off Penn for his education.
His education is clearly limited to color by numbers.
Bussiness freak, failing upward with bazinga characteristics
I think he did actually major in physics
No he didnt he has the same degree in the same uni as our big wet boy.
I don’t think he actually finished that degree. I could be wrong, but i think theres some questions around it
well he’s clearly a dumbass now so whatever happened with that degree he can’t have learned all that much
We don’t in my country, and I’m 100% sure people would complain if there was one. Even if they attended it, it would go completely over their heads probably.
A shitty capitalist society with deeply rooted individualism can’t be treated unless it’s done from the root of the problem.
And there are actual real life goobers dying to get one themselves.
I really want a neural pointing device, but not by this dork.
I absolutely would. I’d not line up to be among the first, but controlling devices via a brain interface is an inevitable step of technological evolution.
It will provide such an immense performance boost, that many professions may become unattainable without having one. Possibly within our lifetime.
Enjoy the unskippable ads in your dreams.
If it can reroute my neurons to lessen my ADHD and autism traits I would gladly pay with 3/4 of waking hours filled by ads. At least that would give me 1/4 more working brain than I currently have
Is about to kiss the love of their lives “And now, I wanna show our newest sponsor! Hello Fresh have the best options so you can make your own dinner and blah blah blah…”
You clearly have no idea what a brain interface is.
Dreams? What about when it locks up and plays a virtual 200db 5khz tone for the rest of your life?
My law/ethics prof was a big old NIMBY. Apparently, utilitarianism is when “neighbor allows cell tower in his yard and it block my view”
I personally enjoy ethics as a subject, but has it been shown that studying ethics in uni actually leads to people behaving more ethically? I agree that ethics should be applied to science, but science should also be applied to ethics to determine the effective approach.
Not really possible to be scientific in that regard because of the fact that it wouldn’t be possible to quantify “behaving ethically” and there isn’t really a way to determine that in an objective manner
