Pretty low to liken the Apostles to terrorists. The difference is that they created the story and witnessed it. The 9/11 terrorists believed Mohammed’s lie.
In their minds they were just as virtuous in their fight against adversities and died for their beliefs. My point is that that you can have these great convictions for horribly causes. The great blind conviction isn’t a virtue. It doesn’t mean that early Christian writers should be respected. Ancient political movements with cults of personality associated telling their followers to die for the cauce is always disgusting.
There’s a huge difference between being killed by the authorities for showing disloyalty to an autocratic government and committing an act of terror by killing thousands of random people to make your point.
Matthew and John were eyewitnesses. Luke and Mark were second-hand accounts from eyewitnesseses and line up with Matthew and John. Paul claimed to have a vision but whatever happened, definitely changed him.
Matthew would have been an illiterate Aramaic speaker and yet the Gospel is written in highly educated Greek, contains events that hadn’t happened yet, contains attributions of events that hadn’t happened yet, contains events that the apostle wouldn’t have seen, has mistakes about geography and Jewish culture that no Palestinian Jewish person would have made, contains direct word for word quotes from Mark, contains deliberately altered quotes from Mark to get certain results.
John is even in a worse position because he not only makes all the mistakes Matthew made he shows a theology that had not even been developed in the first century.
Luke is not a second hand account. He even admits as much when he talks about various sources. Luke borrowed from everywhere. Josphius, Mark, Matthew, the Letters, probably the Q and L source, and who knows how many oral traditions. He is a second hand account in the sense that if you heard me describe a Wikipedia article I had read 8 years ago would be.
As for Paul sure he had a vision. Dehydration, some bad figs, late onset schizophrenia. Take your pick really.
Matthew would have been an illiterate Aramaic speaker
He was literally a tax collector. He would have been well educated.
contains events that hadn’t happened yet, contains attributions of events that hadn’t happened yet, contains events that the apostle wouldn’t have seen, has mistakes about geography and Jewish culture that no Palestinian Jewish person would have made,
Where?
contains direct word for word quotes from Mark, contains deliberately altered quotes from Mark to get certain results.
Or Mark was quoting Matthew before he wrote it down. It’s not that deep. Oral tradition exists.
Luke is not a second hand account. He even admits as much when he talks about various sources. Luke borrowed from everywhere. Josphius, Mark, Matthew,
Matthew was a first-hand source
Q And L sources
So something already happened that caused an oral tradition, which would have led back to first hand accounts.
As for Paul sure he had a vision. Dehydration, some bad figs, late onset schizophrenia. Take your pick really.
His blindness was cured when he was baptised, though. Again, you’d argue that it was a placebo, but the Holy Spirit acted in many people and still does to this day.
He was literally a tax collector. He would have been well educated.
Please demonstrate that this was a job requirement.
Where
The Gospels. Or did you mean “please give me an example”?
Or Mark was quoting Matthew before he wrote it down. It’s not that deep. Oral tradition exists.
Sigh. No. Matthew is longer than Mark and contains fables that Mark didn’t have. Also word for word quotes are not preserved of that length orally. They stole and copied from each other. Not complicated.
Matthew was a first-hand source
No it was a copy of Mark which was a copy of Paul which was a copy of some grifts that James was telling.
o something already happened that caused an oral tradition, which would have led back to first hand accounts.
Those are written traditions.
His blindness was cured when he was baptised, though. Again, you’d argue that it was a placebo, but the Holy Spirit acted in many people and still does to this day.
Odd how he never mentioned this even when it would have served him. Why can’t your god write a better book?
I partially agree. The apostles did create the story. Bunch of local legends and grifts. The only thing they witnessed were the bags of money Paul raised for them.
Pretty low to liken the Apostles to terrorists. The difference is that they created the story and witnessed it. The 9/11 terrorists believed Mohammed’s lie.
In their minds they were just as virtuous in their fight against adversities and died for their beliefs. My point is that that you can have these great convictions for horribly causes. The great blind conviction isn’t a virtue. It doesn’t mean that early Christian writers should be respected. Ancient political movements with cults of personality associated telling their followers to die for the cauce is always disgusting.
It wasn’t a horrible cause, though.
There’s a huge difference between being killed by the authorities for showing disloyalty to an autocratic government and committing an act of terror by killing thousands of random people to make your point.
They had great conviction because they literally witnessed a man’s death and resurrection.
None of them were eyewitnesses. The gospels were written decades and Paul old had a vision.
Matthew and John were eyewitnesses. Luke and Mark were second-hand accounts from eyewitnesseses and line up with Matthew and John. Paul claimed to have a vision but whatever happened, definitely changed him.
No. Neither one of them were eyewitnesses.
Matthew would have been an illiterate Aramaic speaker and yet the Gospel is written in highly educated Greek, contains events that hadn’t happened yet, contains attributions of events that hadn’t happened yet, contains events that the apostle wouldn’t have seen, has mistakes about geography and Jewish culture that no Palestinian Jewish person would have made, contains direct word for word quotes from Mark, contains deliberately altered quotes from Mark to get certain results.
John is even in a worse position because he not only makes all the mistakes Matthew made he shows a theology that had not even been developed in the first century.
Luke is not a second hand account. He even admits as much when he talks about various sources. Luke borrowed from everywhere. Josphius, Mark, Matthew, the Letters, probably the Q and L source, and who knows how many oral traditions. He is a second hand account in the sense that if you heard me describe a Wikipedia article I had read 8 years ago would be.
As for Paul sure he had a vision. Dehydration, some bad figs, late onset schizophrenia. Take your pick really.
He was literally a tax collector. He would have been well educated.
Where?
Or Mark was quoting Matthew before he wrote it down. It’s not that deep. Oral tradition exists.
Matthew was a first-hand source
So something already happened that caused an oral tradition, which would have led back to first hand accounts.
His blindness was cured when he was baptised, though. Again, you’d argue that it was a placebo, but the Holy Spirit acted in many people and still does to this day.
Please demonstrate that this was a job requirement.
The Gospels. Or did you mean “please give me an example”?
Sigh. No. Matthew is longer than Mark and contains fables that Mark didn’t have. Also word for word quotes are not preserved of that length orally. They stole and copied from each other. Not complicated.
No it was a copy of Mark which was a copy of Paul which was a copy of some grifts that James was telling.
Those are written traditions.
Odd how he never mentioned this even when it would have served him. Why can’t your god write a better book?
I partially agree. The apostles did create the story. Bunch of local legends and grifts. The only thing they witnessed were the bags of money Paul raised for them.