What a bullshit excuse. They can’t seem to stop home grown terrorism from happening even with the invasive spying efforts.
So the real question is why do they fight so hard for something they know isn’t effective at what its supposedly meant to do.
The home grown terrorists are actively supported by half our government.
The ‘terrorists’ they’re surveilling are community/union organizers.
Doing kind of a shit job too I’d say.
I dont think half the government supports the over 600 mass shootings that happened in the US this year…
“Hey could we maybe take any action at all to curb the over 600 mass shootings this year?”
Over half of the govt: “lulnope that would infringe on the god given right to commit mass shootings”
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Sure about that? Half our govt wants to abolish the 2nd amendment, hard to do when you don’t have false excuses to push for that.
Also, depending on who’s reporting it, the definition of “mass shooting” has become synonymous with people shot. If a psycho walks into a bldg and shoots 15 people, that’s ONE mass shooting.
Because rolling back on it means weakness and weakness means less votes for the president.
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That was a huge clusterfuck though.
Home grown terrorists? You mean the ones that were invited into the Capitol for ‘tours’ by certain Republicans before trying to siege said Capitol? I don’t think they are trying to stop them.
Sure, but did you know that there are progressives who want people to just “go to the doctor?!”
Stop pretending there isn’t evil on both sides!
Stop pretending there isn’t evil on both sides!
There absolutely is, but there’s no question a lot of the shit that happens is simply allowed to happen so there’s and excuse for over reaction after the fact that opens up excuses for their next stupid move.
The spying isn’t for our benefit… it’s on us.
“Israel’s massive surveillance system failed. We need to massively invest in the same approach here.”
It’d make some ‘defense contractors’ VERY happy!
Did it fail or was it intentionally ignored?
Egypt told Israel of the attack before it happened: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/12/israel-hamas-war-egypt-warned-foreign-affairs-gaza
The terrorists are allied with the ones holding public office - the same public office pushing for mass surveillance
America was warned about 9/11 and Germany was warned about attacks on NS2, guess it’s all a big conspiracy.
Bush didn’t have the head of Saudi intelligence call him personally to warn him about an imminent attack so it’s a bit different from Bibi.
Never let a good crisis go to waste.
By what logic does failing to stop an attack on foreign soil imply you should keep surveilling your own citizens?
Logically isn’t this a stronger advice of “if you cannot stop an action with hundreds involved and multiple countries, what’s the point of all your surveillance?”
Renewal? Don’t they mean continuation?
No, that’d be honest, cant do that!
Same thing. Like renewing your lease for your apartment.
Of course. Isn’t this what they say every time? We need more secret government.
Government of the people. No… we don’t need it more secretive. Go find a job in the peace corp lady and let’s have way fewer secrets FOR the people.
Same as it ever was
Only since 9/11 or just after. Don’t worry it’s not like one of our founding documents grants you privacy or anything. They can just ignore it because scary terrorist.
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You never know if Americans will attack Canada… and stay there for healthcare. This shall not happen! Total surveillance and build the wall!
I just don’t want to pay there taxes
You get what you paid for.
Not really, its cheaper not to have the government blunder everything.
I would not call Canadian healthcare system a blunder. I would, however, in US. Free market is a great thing, but it requires a competition of both buyers and sellers and ability to try and fail. If failing means death for you, that’s not really a good match for the market, is not it? Same goes true for police, armed forces, courts and so on.
Waiting for months on end for a doctor you don’t get to choose after paying 4x in taxes for them, ya! Works awesome. Ever live in Canada? I have. No thanks!
Ever need to see a specialist in the U.S.? Last time I needed a new neurologist, I had to wait 9 months. Thankfully, my GP doctor agreed to keep up with my medications in the mean time. Meanwhile, I’m thousands of dollars in medical debt.
Oh yeah, the U.S. system is so much better.
Yes, many times, as has my wife. Never even remotely waited like that. Nor have I ever had tons of medical debt as I have good ins. I live in a good state with medical saturation and there’s plenty of hospitals and staff to go around. Clearly not that way we’re you live, but you don’t get to blame the whole country because of your bad experience.
And you don’t get to praise the whole country because your good experience.
And “I have good insurance” is not the great thing you think it is. I have good insurance. I also have a lot of health problems. Even good insurance doesn’t cover every hospital bill. You still end up paying lots of money out of pocket.
Not to mention that many people in this country do not have good insurance. Healthcare for them is either inaccessible or very expensive. If you have cancer in the U.S. and no health insurance, you just die. In Canada, you get treated. No matter how poor you are.
But then it sounds like poor people aren’t a concern of yours when it comes to American healthcare.
And I’m not even poor.
And you don’t get to praise the whole country because your good experience.
Good thing I never did that then huh? At no point would I ever (praise) our sick care system. But I’m also not going to pretend it’s what the people going for mismanaged gov’t controlled healthcare claim it is either.
Not to mention that many people in this country do not have good insurance. Healthcare for them is either inaccessible or very expensive. If you have cancer in the U.S. and no health insurance, you just die. In Canada, you get treated. No matter how poor you are.
There is and always has been health care for unemployed, and the poor. That’s not new. As far as your Cancer claim, BOTH my parents have had Cancer, all of it removed, twice with my mother, and my mother has also had 4 strokes, they’re both retired, own no home, and have terrible paying jobs. It’s all been covered, including prescriptions, no cost to them.
So stop putting words in my mouth.
Sawing specialist takes multi month waiting in US. 2-3 month is typical. That’s with insurance. But a lot of people do not have insurance. They simply can’t see those.
And as for paying more for Canadian system? That’s total nonsense. The total numbers for healthcare costs are very well known for US and Canada. Maybe you should Google them.
I’ve lived in the US my whole life, and lived in Canada for a few years, I don’t need to Google anything. Do you have any first hand experienced with the Candian health system? Or the typical talking points you read somewhere?
Also, Canada has the same health care everywhere, the US doesn’t, so you can’t make claims for the “US” health care system as a whole. Because it’s not one system.
I traveled to Canada like a lot, and talked to Canadians. They usually quite positive about their healthcare system. You honestly is the first guy who states the opposite (although, I do not talk to you in person). I live in US, and also talk about experience of other people. So, my point stands.
As for googling it - it is your statement that it costs for Canadians more to run their healthcare. So googling actual numbers help for such statement. But I will do it for you, using ChatGPT4, because I am lazy:
United States: In 2021, the National Health Expenditure (NHE) in the U.S. accounted for 18.3% of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP). Projections for the years 2022-2031 indicate that the average growth in NHE (5.4 percent) is expected to outpace that of average GDP growth (4.6 percent), resulting in an increase in the health spending share of GDP from 18.3 percent in 2021 to 19.6 percent in 2031. While specific data for 2023 is not directly quoted, this trend suggests a continued high percentage of GDP spent on healthcare.
Canada: In Canada, total health spending is expected to reach $344 billion in 2023, which is anticipated to represent 12.1% of Canada’s GDP.
https://www.cms.gov/research-statistics-data-systems/national-health-expenditure-data/nhe-fact-sheet
https://www.cihi.ca/en/national-health-expenditure-trends
"I don’t want to pay the government $20 a month for universal healthcare. I want to pay a private company $200 a month for healthcare that is only covered at select locations by select facilities by select doctors and can be denied at any time by the insurance company. Freedom!“
How did Americans become so stupid?
Your forgetting the fact that the health care providers can charge the government an arm and a leg. With “universal healthcare” there is a much lower incentive to lower costs and increase quality.
No they can’t. Single payer means that all the control is in the governments hands, because there are plenty of providers and only one payer for the entire 300+ million Americans. This is how single payer works. Medicare does this, for example.
In the current system there is 0 incentive to lower prices. The incentive becomes to charge as much as will be maximally paid.
Before you try to argue, the nhs, Canadian healthcare system, and pretty much every developed country that isn’t the US, would like to have a word.
Don’t forget everything being way more expensive even not counting the taxes or conversion rate!
As they always always always do. Acts of violence are inevitably used to justify growing the security and surveillance apparatus
Show up in every election and vote (and be engaged in other ways politically). It’s very easy to ignore people who don’t vote. Don’t like your options at the polls? Participate in primaries and donate to campaigns pushing ranked choice voting.
Unfortunately the new “mass surveillance” program will be surveilling American citizens and not bother to look at world threats. As usual.
You have nothing to worry about here, we are all family.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
During a Senate briefing last week, a federal counterterrorism official cited the October 7 Hamas attack while urging Congress to reauthorize a sprawling and controversial surveillance program repeatedly used to spy on U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.
The controversial program is set to expire at the end of the year, and lawmakers sympathetic to the intelligence community are scrambling to protect it, as some members of Congress like Sen. Ron Wyden push for reforms that restrain the government’s surveillance abilities.
According to Rep. Jim Himes, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, plans are underway to prepare a stopgap measure to preserve Section 702 of FISA as a long-term reauthorization containing reforms is hammered out.
“The government has completely failed to demonstrate that any of the privacy protections reformers have called for would impair national security, all while surveillance hawks in Congress have suffered a series of setbacks, so now we’re seeing people grasping at straws trying to turn everything into an excuse for reauthorization,” Vitka said.
This loophole makes it easy for federal agencies to target wide swaths of the U.S. population, and it has for years been condemned by civil liberties advocates who view it as a clear-cut instance of governmental overreach.
The Brennan Center for Justice last month issued a document noting that the FBI has used the 702 authority to spy on U.S. representatives, senators, civil liberties organizations, political campaigns, and activists.
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