• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    36
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    We didn’t give it directly to Ukraine, which is why this is happening.

    A bunch of countries were donating equipment through the same few routes thru the same countries.

    Even if it was cataloged and documented properly, it takes time to go all thru the chain all the way to the end and hear back. Especially since all the countries are probably asking.

    • FireTower@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      10 months ago

      I mean it’s 1 billion dollars of military equipment. Probably don’t want that falling into the wrong hands.

    • grue@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      10 months ago

      Pretty sure Russia only comes in second on that list (after China), but you’re right about the rest of it.

    • jonne@infosec.pub
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      11
      ·
      10 months ago

      Yeah, totally not a problem to have fascist groups armed with military gear running around in Europe. It was so much fun when that happened in the 80s.

  • TornadoRex@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    10 months ago

    This is dumb. Most likely they just weren’t catalogued correctly because they were rushing stuff to the front lines. Doubtful anything went missing it’s just paperwork errors.

    • orbit@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      Or - and this is heavily documented - the US Military has never passed any audit since they began being audited. This is just part of that.

      Doesn’t mean we don’t support Ukraine. Just means we need to hold the military accountable for the funds provided.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        21
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        10 months ago

        the US Military has never passed any audit since they began being audited. This is just part of that.

        That’s mainly because there’s a shit ton of agencies in the DOD, and they send money between themselves and non DOD agencies constantly.

        If I pay you $100, but we lose the reciept, there’s no missing money. Just a missing receipt.

        However for those government audits, if we both were part of it then we’d each be off by $100. And rather than cancel those, they add them together and say combined we’re “missing” $200

        So the public hears about these huge numbers that probably don’t matter, and hardly anyone hears the actual number of missing money to know if we really should be mad.

        • Neato@ttrpg.network
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          10 months ago

          I’ve seen dod finance. The amount of paperwork to move money within an agency is ridiculous. Between is even more. If they don’t have a receipt, it’s deliberate or gross negligence.

          • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            10
            arrow-down
            11
            ·
            10 months ago

            I’ve seen dod finance

            If you had “seen” it, you’d know not to say that randomly on a public social media website.

            You’d also know what you’re talking about…

            • Neato@ttrpg.network
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              8
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              10 months ago

              Lol, what? Do you have any idea how many people work for the DoD in finance or adjacent to finance? The entire Program Management track is huge. It’s not a crime or even recommended to pretend you don’t work for or with the DoD. It’s very clear what is classified information, CUI, or financially privileged. And there’s TONS of contractors who interface with the DoD in financial matters.

              DoD finance is all about bureaucracy: just like most of the DoD and US government itself. There’s so many hoops to jump through to move money it’s insane. Money expires yearly in many cases. That old adage of units spending money in September is somewhat true: sending money you didn’t spend back at the end of the fiscal year is frowned upon. On and on and on I and anyone else with even a toe dipped in could go.

              Shit, most DoD finance is public: the NDAA lists top-level spending allocations. Really it’s just non-acknowledged programs where the funding isn’t public. Which is where I imagine a lot of the shenanagins get up to. Your paranoia is silly.

            • GiveMemes@jlai.lu
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              8
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              10 months ago

              Til being a low level bureaucrat or military member is unheard of and absolutely never talked about online.

        • orbit@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          10 months ago

          This is a good take but it disregards the realities of the financial recipients being unable to account for funds spent. I agree there are special circumstances but we need to have visibility to those realities as benefactors. Otherwise how can we allocate funds democratically.

      • themeatbridge@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        10 months ago

        If they kept records, how would they get away with diverting so much of the money back into their pockets?

        • orbit@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          10 months ago

          Lol literally no way to find out because they don’t track it and have no reason to do it.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    10 months ago

    Hmmmm… where have I heard this before? 🤔

    Oh! Right!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1

    "The US flew nearly $12bn in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent.

    . . .

    In the year after the invasion of Iraq in 2003 nearly 281 million notes, weighing 363 tonnes, were sent from New York to Baghdad for disbursement to Iraqi ministries and US contractors. Using C-130 planes, the deliveries took place once or twice a month with the biggest of $2,401,600,000 on June 22 2004, six days before the handover."

    It’s almost like the people in charge of this kind of thing REALLY should not be in charge of this kind of thing…

  • TigrisMorte@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    10 months ago

    Meaning they didn’t count each and every weapon fired and record exactly which Russian it hit.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    10 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    WASHINGTON (AP) — Shortfalls in required monitoring by American officials mean the U.S. cannot track more than $1 billion in weapons and military equipment provided to Ukraine to fight invading Russian forces, according to a Pentagon audit released Thursday.

    Citing what he said was Russian disinformation to the contrary, Ryder added, “The fact is, we observed the Ukrainians employing these capabilities on the battlefield.

    House Republican opposition for months has stalled Biden’s request to Congress for $105 billion more for Ukraine, Israel and other national security objectives.

    National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said Thursday that there was no funding left for additional military aid packages to Ukraine.

    The U.S. has provided tens of billions of dollars in military aid to Ukraine, including big systems such as air defense.

    Kirby said administration officials “has for many months now been interested in improving accountability over the end use of material that is provided to Ukraine.”


    The original article contains 531 words, the summary contains 154 words. Saved 71%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • agitatedpotato@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    9
    ·
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    I’m sure sloppily executed arms proliferation has never come back to bite the US in it’s ass, no biggie. At least we we’re sending them to the reasonable side this time.

    • snooggums@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      10 months ago

      This isn’t arms proliferation, this is providing support for a country defending itself from invasion.

      • agitatedpotato@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        10 months ago

        If it’s not accounted for it’s exactly proliferation, it just ended up somewhere less horrible than usual, maybe anyway, we don’t know.