She killed a puppy for acting like a puppy and scaring birds during a hunt. It was 14 months old and sounds like it had zero training. So she takes it to a gravel pit and shoots it. A puppy. For being excited by birds. And it wasn’t trained how to behave around birds.
And then she writes on Twitter that her autobiography has more stories that will upset the press. She is actually psychotic.
Putting down a dog without a good reason isn’t animal cruelty most places if you put it down humanely.
This weird and gross and downright disturbing, but it isn’t animal cruelty unless she shot it in the stomach to watch it bleed out or something. Which honestly, she may have for all we know, she’s obviously unhinged or very, very dumb.
I am also in the U.S. and I do treat my dogs as family and I do not crate them. However, the person you are replying to does not treat their dog as family. They think they do, but they don’t. They told a story on another thread on this governor about their own dog (which I initially misread) which included this part:
I thought about having the vet put him to “sleep” but I didn’t like that either. He didn’t deserve to be injected with strange drugs in a strange place by strangers. I chose to take him home, give him a rather large dose of xanax and smother him with my hand while telling him what an amazing boy he was.
I’ve certainly never needed or wanted to crate a dog, my dogs sleep in bed with me every night. Some dogs are destructively anxious when alone and need it unfortunately. I only know one person who does crate their dog (their dog is like I described above), and they hate that they need to. It’s not as common as you think in my experience at least.
I’ll admit I wasn’t aware that was an American-only thing though.
My dogs have always been crate trained. Its not like they are in there all day. They ride in a crate in the car for their safety. They can go lay in it whenever they want. Some do, some don’t.
This shows you have a fundamental ignorance of this subject matter. It’s not American practice, for starters, and it’s certainly not cruel if you’re doing it right.
Really? FYI, a dogs crate is where they feel safest when their humans are gone. It’s one thing if you crate them 24/7 but otherwise, no, it’s not a bad thing. Do some research before you jump into this debate choom, or you’re gonna get demolished.
Edit: and, for the record, my dogs both sleep with me. Only crated when me or my partner are both not home
I would imagine that if you’ve never heard of anybody doing that where you live, it’s a culture thing. Certain places have different practices on how they handle dogs. I want to stress though, much of the US doesn’t just do it because it’s simple and easy without any regard to the animal (at least not any good dog owners). To you, it may look like a prison, but to a dog properly crate trained, it’s more like a safe and comfy bed they can relax in. The positive effects crating can have on a dog is heavily backed by science, and I’d recommend looking into it, it’s actually kinda fascinating.
Of course, that all assumes it’s being done properly. Crates are a tool, and like any tool, they can be misused and abused. So it’s not always where they feel safest, it all depends on how you train them and certain issues a dog might have (claustrophobia, heavy anxiety, etc.). Generally, from what I understand, you never want to associate the crate with negative emotions or consequences (i.e. don’t send your dog to the crate as punishment). It’s supposed to be a safe place, not a jail cell.
yes, it’s true, tons of books say it’s ok. my folks raised dogs, i’ve had a number of dogs myself. never crated them. until dogs can be interviewed, im team “lets don’t lock them up for hours all alone.” just because humans write books saying this and that doesn’t make it true. dr spock wrote books saying it was bad to hold babies when they cried. it’s not. science used to be near uninamous that animals and insects didn’t have emotions. then it was “emotions like we do.” now…it’s turning out they do. research isn’t the be-all and end-all.
Our dogs are our family, choom. Don’t mix it up like that, our country is already full of shitty things, but not that. This story is about a piece of human garbage who never should have gotten a puppy to begin with, but that’s not ALL of us.
No, don’t use your emotions, I simply stated a fact. In the u.s if I kill your dog, I am liable for property damages. That’s all the law sees your dogs as, that’s all police see your dogs as.
Did I miss something? That was a shitty example to back up her angle that the dog was untrainable or whatever. The real “reason” was the puppy killed a bunch of the neighbor’s chickens. That is a fact, as in order of events. The motivation could be many other things, such as: not wanting the bad PR, trying to smooth things over with a neighbor, legitimate guilt/empathy/something for the neighbor losing their chickens as some families may be really attached to their chickens either emotionally and/or financially.
etc wow I don’t mind saying something that is unpopular but I very much do mind people thinking I’m defending animal cruelty or that I find it anything less than awful and heartless. I was questioning specifically what the comment said about killing a puppy FOR being a puppy. When I said the motivation could have been anything else, I meant she could have killed the puppy for any of those awful reasons too but I did not understand how killing chickens = being a puppy, which someone did kindly answer for me. Clearly I expressed myself very poorly.
The puppy was being trained for hunting. Meaning she killed her for doing exactly what she was being trained to do. Of course she wouldn’t know there are some animals she shouldn’t chase.
Oh, and this is not a one-off thing from Noem either. She also mentions shooting and killing a male goat for “chasing her kids”.
In any case, I worry when someone’s solution to completely fixable issues with other living beings is to just kill them.
Ok duh, thank you! I wasn’t sure what I missed that makes this a puppy being killed for being a puppy so thank you for actually pointing out what I was missing. I couldn’t really make the connection to how it was a puppy specific thing, not defending it.
Usually bird dogs aren’t killing anything. They retrieve the fowl after its been shot and they are trained to be gentle with the bird in their mouth. But that doesn’t excuse the shit stains behavior.
She killed a puppy for acting like a puppy and scaring birds during a hunt. It was 14 months old and sounds like it had zero training. So she takes it to a gravel pit and shoots it. A puppy. For being excited by birds. And it wasn’t trained how to behave around birds.
And then she writes on Twitter that her autobiography has more stories that will upset the press. She is actually psychotic.
Animal cruelty. Why isn’t she charged?
Putting down a dog without a good reason isn’t animal cruelty most places if you put it down humanely.
This weird and gross and downright disturbing, but it isn’t animal cruelty unless she shot it in the stomach to watch it bleed out or something. Which honestly, she may have for all we know, she’s obviously unhinged or very, very dumb.
Killing an animal because you don’t want it is animal cruelty. Maybe not legally but the laws rarely follow public morality.
If animals are in excess there are shelters and they have better ways than a gunshot in a gravel pit.
Is that even a thing? In the u.s they treat dogs as property
I live in the US. I treat my dogs as family.
Sadly your laws do not. They’re property according to law
Do you “crate” them when you are away from home or sleeping? That American practice has always horrified me.
I am also in the U.S. and I do treat my dogs as family and I do not crate them. However, the person you are replying to does not treat their dog as family. They think they do, but they don’t. They told a story on another thread on this governor about their own dog (which I initially misread) which included this part:
https://lemmy.world/comment/9683664
That doesn’t sound like treating them as family to me.
Edit: Forgot the “not” up there. Kind of important.
same.
I’ve certainly never needed or wanted to crate a dog, my dogs sleep in bed with me every night. Some dogs are destructively anxious when alone and need it unfortunately. I only know one person who does crate their dog (their dog is like I described above), and they hate that they need to. It’s not as common as you think in my experience at least.
I’ll admit I wasn’t aware that was an American-only thing though.
Its actually illegal to do so in Sweden.
My dogs have always been crate trained. Its not like they are in there all day. They ride in a crate in the car for their safety. They can go lay in it whenever they want. Some do, some don’t.
I personally don’t, but some dogs love it. It’s their safe space.
This shows you have a fundamental ignorance of this subject matter. It’s not American practice, for starters, and it’s certainly not cruel if you’re doing it right.
Really? FYI, a dogs crate is where they feel safest when their humans are gone. It’s one thing if you crate them 24/7 but otherwise, no, it’s not a bad thing. Do some research before you jump into this debate choom, or you’re gonna get demolished.
Edit: and, for the record, my dogs both sleep with me. Only crated when me or my partner are both not home
Why would a dog feel safe being locked into a cage compared to being free to roam the house and find a comfy spot?
Literally never heard of anyone doing that here, it would even be illegal.
I would imagine that if you’ve never heard of anybody doing that where you live, it’s a culture thing. Certain places have different practices on how they handle dogs. I want to stress though, much of the US doesn’t just do it because it’s simple and easy without any regard to the animal (at least not any good dog owners). To you, it may look like a prison, but to a dog properly crate trained, it’s more like a safe and comfy bed they can relax in. The positive effects crating can have on a dog is heavily backed by science, and I’d recommend looking into it, it’s actually kinda fascinating.
Of course, that all assumes it’s being done properly. Crates are a tool, and like any tool, they can be misused and abused. So it’s not always where they feel safest, it all depends on how you train them and certain issues a dog might have (claustrophobia, heavy anxiety, etc.). Generally, from what I understand, you never want to associate the crate with negative emotions or consequences (i.e. don’t send your dog to the crate as punishment). It’s supposed to be a safe place, not a jail cell.
yes, it’s true, tons of books say it’s ok. my folks raised dogs, i’ve had a number of dogs myself. never crated them. until dogs can be interviewed, im team “lets don’t lock them up for hours all alone.” just because humans write books saying this and that doesn’t make it true. dr spock wrote books saying it was bad to hold babies when they cried. it’s not. science used to be near uninamous that animals and insects didn’t have emotions. then it was “emotions like we do.” now…it’s turning out they do. research isn’t the be-all and end-all.
Well they treat people like the property of corporations and the ruling class, so at least they’re consistent.
I think I understand what you’re saying here. Legally speaking, dogs are property here.
This said, obviously most Americans do not treat their dogs as such.
Our dogs are our family, choom. Don’t mix it up like that, our country is already full of shitty things, but not that. This story is about a piece of human garbage who never should have gotten a puppy to begin with, but that’s not ALL of us.
No, don’t use your emotions, I simply stated a fact. In the u.s if I kill your dog, I am liable for property damages. That’s all the law sees your dogs as, that’s all police see your dogs as.
Ok, annnnd…?
Sounds like she did it a favour
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Did I miss something? That was a shitty example to back up her angle that the dog was untrainable or whatever. The real “reason” was the puppy killed a bunch of the neighbor’s chickens. That is a fact, as in order of events. The motivation could be many other things, such as: not wanting the bad PR, trying to smooth things over with a neighbor, legitimate guilt/empathy/something for the neighbor losing their chickens as some families may be really attached to their chickens either emotionally and/or financially.etc wow I don’t mind saying something that is unpopular but I very much do mind people thinking I’m defending animal cruelty or that I find it anything less than awful and heartless. I was questioning specifically what the comment said about killing a puppy FOR being a puppy. When I said the motivation could have been anything else, I meant she could have killed the puppy for any of those awful reasons too but I did not understand how killing chickens = being a puppy, which someone did kindly answer for me. Clearly I expressed myself very poorly.
The puppy was being trained for hunting. Meaning she killed her for doing exactly what she was being trained to do. Of course she wouldn’t know there are some animals she shouldn’t chase.
Oh, and this is not a one-off thing from Noem either. She also mentions shooting and killing a male goat for “chasing her kids”.
In any case, I worry when someone’s solution to completely fixable issues with other living beings is to just kill them.
Ok duh, thank you! I wasn’t sure what I missed that makes this a puppy being killed for being a puppy so thank you for actually pointing out what I was missing. I couldn’t really make the connection to how it was a puppy specific thing, not defending it.
Usually bird dogs aren’t killing anything. They retrieve the fowl after its been shot and they are trained to be gentle with the bird in their mouth. But that doesn’t excuse the shit stains behavior.
The thing is she wasn’t sad to have to do it. She said she “hated” the puppy.