I want to share it, but I’m not sure where.

  • cynar@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    5 months ago

    It’s also worth noting the existence of the “Men in Sheds” movement. It’s nominally aimed at retired or disadvantaged men, but generally they are open to all.

    If you want to get maximum impact, it might be worth looking into tying into them (retirees are often extremely bad at making websites).

  • Wanderer@lemm.ee
    5·
    5 months ago

    In every culture I have read about they have men bonding together. It only seems like recently in the west male only bonding is though of almost as a crime.

    I think male bonding is exceptionally important for happiness and development. Preventing male loneliness is more important than dealing with the issues of loneliness. But it seems more common to speak for men than listen to men.

    • RagingHungryPanda@lemm.eeOP
      3·
      5 months ago

      Sorry, I meant which community. I did some scanning but I didn’t really see anything that seemed to fit the bill of “make friends” or “being lonely”.

      Edit: the site is dudefriends.com

    • DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee
      3·
      5 months ago

      Yes, def., The Fediverse is a great place to share it. There’s lots of gender masculine people here, I’m nearly certain. 👍🏽

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      25·
      5 months ago

      Virtually everywhere else online as well…

      But when your demographic’s safe space is literally everything that isn’t someone else’s safe space…

      Doesn’t really feel like we need our own.

      Which is why those places tend to end up as incel places.

      • Jackthelad@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        5 months ago

        “Men have been historically privileged, so therefore no man needs help” is basically the gist of this comment.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          17·
          5 months ago

          Nope

          No man needs a special place for help, because they’re still considered the default.

          Other groups get special places for help, because their rarer demographic comes with special issues most don’t face.

          Which is why the vast majority of “safe spaces” explicitly and only for men, quickly devolve into incel shit.

          • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
            4·
            5 months ago

            No man needs a special place for help

            Wow you really don’t see what a shitty way of thinking this is, do you?

            Which is why the vast majority of “safe spaces” explicitly and only for men, quickly devolve into incel shit.

            Man fuck this mentality. The myth that if you put enough men together in one place that they will automatically start becoming toxic is the exact reason why men need safe spaces from people like you who spread this sort of hateful rhetoric.

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
              15·
              5 months ago

              The myth that if you put enough men together in one place that they will automatically start becoming toxic is

              Not what I’m talking about about.

              I’m saying men can just use the “default” ways to get help.

              So while a “men only” safe space may start out beneficial, eventually more and more extreme views will be oresented. Which over time will drive off the normal men who started the community.

              Because they still have default paths for help.

              This concentrates the crazy, as more normals leave, it moves the tone of the space, which leads to either more normal men leaving, or staying and becoming radicalized.

              And even the ones that leave later, are leaving a little worse than they showed up. They’re taking that change of tone back out in public. And effecting the default tone as well

              I understand where you’re coming from, but you’re not thinking it all the way thru.

              Good intentions, bad plans.

              And this isn’t my hypothetical either, this is how most incel communities are created.

              I’ll find a source and edit it in if you haven’t replied yet.

              Edit:

              I can’t find a source on it now.

              But what I’m remembering was a discussion on how the literal r/mensrights sub became so radicalized.

              It started out with decent normal men who were discussing things like custody rights.

              But because they wanted it to be about men’s right and empowerment in general, they let people talk about other stuff. As more and more extremists showed up, the original members slowly left. It was a “frog boil” where those extremist views slowly became the default.

              The more I think about it, the more I think it might be like a John Oliver or Jon Stewart segment and not an article.

              But trying to search isn’t getting me anything, if I specify the sub in the search, I just get results from the sub about bullshit.

              So hopefully my explanation makes sense.

                • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  21·
                  5 months ago

                  The reddit sub femaledatingstrategy?

                  As far as I know, aren’t they just incels without Y chromosomes?

                  And probably the second best example for what I’m talking about with extremism taking over a “safe space”.

                  I’d assume it didn’t start out like that, but the more extremism was tolerated, the more prevealant it became and the more normal people left, concentrating the extremism until it dominated the community.

                  Considering everything in this thread I’ve said, why would you assume if I didn’t like one flavor of extremism I’d have to like the extremism of the other side?