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      1. Why stoop to their level? We’re claiming to be better than a killer
      2. No take backs. One mistake is too many mistakes
      3. It’s actually cheaper to keep them alive
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        If you hate killing so much, you must be vegan, right? Or do you kill some non-human animals but not other non-human animals?

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              What? I care about human lives, I don’t really care about the lives of other animals

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                Since human beings are also just animals, I assume you have some non-arbitrary reason for favoring one species over another?

                Keep in mind that speciation is technically arbitrary, and that we can just as easily decide that you and I are not the same species. Go ahead, explain to me why I’m entitled to farm and eat you. I can’t wait to hear this.

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                    “Murder” is an illegal killing. I don’t oppose murder; I oppose immoral killing. That’s different.

                    If you simply claimed that you’re against pointless killing I wouldn’t consider that arbitrary, since I share your strong intuition that causing meaningless suffering is deeply wrong. That is, in fact, precisely why I find it confusing that you would violate this intuition.

                    An arbitrary moral distinction would be like claiming that you are against ending innocent lives, unless they’re a different race, gender, species, nationality, or color than you, given that none of these factors have any moral relevance.

                    What is the moral significance of a creature’s nationality or species? Moral philosophers consider this question fairly settled, so let me know if you have some novel insights.

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      Because that makes the state a serial killer. In fact, the state has murdered far more people than even the most prolific serial killer.

      Whether or not they are innocent is often an afterthought. A way too late afterthought.

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        Idk what’s the upside of killing rabid dogs? Most dogs are better than most humans, so how does the math work out there?

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            Rabies and psychopathy are diseases. The prognosis is terminal in both cases, and death would be a mercy. Rabies is also far less harmful than psychopathy, because it results in less collateral damage. After all, psychopathy is responsible for almost every evil you can see in the world today from famine to poverty and war.

            Again, there is an argument against the death penalty but protecting psychopaths ain’t it.

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              No they are not both diseases. psychopathy is not caused by infection or is it communicable. They have no basis for comparison. Also do you know anything at all about rabies progression? Its about the worst disease you can have if you have gone passed the point of no return to treat it.

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                Not all diseases are communicable or infectious. Psychopathy is a serious neurological pathology that robs humans of anything resembling humanity. That makes it a hell of a lot worse than rabies to my mind, but of course that’s debatable. Regardless, I’m not sure how ranking one horrible affliction against another makes much difference for this analogy.

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              After all, psychopathy is responsible for almost every evil you can see in the world today from famine to poverty and war.

              I don’t know, I think presuming you know the reasons and effects of things has led to some pretty harmful outcomes over the years.

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                You’re right, none of us know anything. We can presume no facts, nor make even the most salient observations. All social science is false, and nihilists like you are right about everything.

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                  We can presume no facts, nor make even the most salient observations.

                  Individuals can, “collectives” cannot.

                  All social science is false

                  A lot of it

                  nihilists like you are right about everything.

                  I am not a nihilist.