Anti-NATO protesters gathered again in Montreal on Saturday to demand Canada withdraw from the alliance, a day after a demonstration organized by different groups resulted in arrests, burned cars and shattered windows.
the purpose of the protest was to demonstrate against what he called NATO’s “complicity with Israel’s military while it’s conducting its genocide in Gaza, … war crimes in Lebanon, Syria” and that “it’s enforcing illegal occupation of Palestinian territories.”
However, Allard rejected accusations of antisemitism. He said the protests were against the actions of the state of Israel and not Jewish people, adding that earlier this week the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
WTF does NATO have anything to do with Israel or Palestine?!
WTF would leaving NATO have any effect on Israel or Palestine?!
WTF are these people even on about?
NATO’s “complicity with Israel’s military while it’s conducting its genocide in Gaza
NATO isn’t helping Israel… (while some NATO members might be, that’s not NATO)
It’s not NATO’s job to get involved with with Israel or Palestine…
Russian propaganda had its way to them
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The idea is to dethrone the US from global power because people are sick of us having our boot on their necks.
But the alternative is China wearing the boot and they’ve proven they would kill every non Han in the world
Idk why you’re being downvoted, you gave a pretty fair description of the situation. Even the Han bit, China doesn’t have any anti-discrimination laws and they’re more than 90% Han Chinese.
In the last UK election, an old-school tankie named George Galloway ran a party. One of his candidates, a former professional cricketer IIRC, called for the UK to pull out of NATO to better control immigration. To his credit, he withdrew his candidacy and dropped out of politics a week later once it became apparent how far out of his depth he was.
Galloway’s more a wide-spectrum troll than a tankie. In his last campaign, he was putting out contradictory campaign materials in Muslim and non-Muslim neighbourhoods.
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The vote was for NATO to demand that the conflict come to an end by September 2025. It is an advisory vote, NATO has no authority.
As you can see, the vote succeeded. NATO’s position is to the conflict to end.
Now the protesters want Canada to pull out of NATO because what? NATO agrees with them?
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That map is not the flex you think it is. I see 12 members of NATO voted for and 15 abstained. Only the US, Canada and Czechia voted against. If anything, it says that NATO is not as monocephalic as most tankies like to portray. Canada is the one giving NATO a bad name on this vote, not the reverse, lol.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_218165.htm
https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-backs-israel-and-warns-iran-to-stay-away-gaza-hamas-netanyah/
There is a very good reason the Irish care about Neutrality. The Montrealites are not so different.
Edit: Thank you Chairman Meow for telling me about this: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-blocks-nato-israel-cooperation-over-gaza-war-sources-say-2024-08-01/
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LOL you really thought nobody was going to check the dates on those articles? Hmm, I wonder if anything happened in Palestine since last October.
NATO has not changed its position, that’s the thing.
It has, it was forced to by Turkey: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-blocks-nato-israel-cooperation-over-gaza-war-sources-say-2024-08-01/
All joint exercises and meetings were stopped and nothing w.r.t. aid for Israel was approved. All vetoed.
Damn, TIL. Thank you.
And for the first time in my life, thank you Erdogan.
Holy shit, can’t believe I actually have common ground with Erdogan.
Broken clock and all that
Too bad he can’t do what he preaches e.g. Kurds.
Looks like Russia is bout wasting time and once again uses their distinguishers network.
Remember trucker blockages of supply routes they did right before the full invasion?
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Glad to see all the genocide sympathizers are out here in force, playing apologist for Russia.
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I can’t believe you talk shit this stupid for free.
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Classic subhuman. When they get out of things to say they resort to insults and censorship. You guys are as bad as the russian lmao. Talk against westoid jingoism and you’ll get deleted. The truth is that worldist mods are militaristic twats who don’t want their team to lost. It would be bad for business. Shove your war into your bhole, retard.
Who’s censoring you? You’ve been talking shit since you created this account, and you’ve never contributed to a conversation except by departing from it.
Seems like their comment talking about the US candidates supporting genocide has been deleted. So either they did it, or they have a point.
Having that particular prophecy fulfill itself would probably make their day. It doesn’t lend them credibility.
Give it a few minutes.
I don’t want to have a conversation with ultramilitarist who apologies for the warmongering elites. As a violent pacifist, I think we should just murder these bitches. Fuck the nato.
As a violent pacifist
Yup. Nothing I love more than ideological consistency… 😕
Peace through being a hard target.
It’s like the paradox of tolerating intolerance.
Those young people are being manipulated by Russia! We need NATO.
Organizers and people arrested should be put on a plane and given a tour through Ukraines east… to see with their own eyes. Too many people seem to be unaware why a counterforce to Russia was created in the first place.
Arguing against NATO for the reasons they state just means more people will suffer like the Palestinians do.
The NATO put Putin in place, fuckhead. They broke down the USSR and empowered fascist russia.
Haha, no… the USSR made themselves go bankrupt and caused the country to devolve until it was no longer viable all the while genociding their own population. You’ve got some revisionist history on your shirt.
Arguing against NATO for the reasons they state just means more people will suffer like the Palestinians do.
I don’t know why you say this. NATO has been supporting Israel, not Palestine
Because they’re able to see the forest through the trees. It’s why refusing to vote for Kamala was cutting off Palestine’s nose to spite its face.
Disbanding NATO wouldn’t do anything to stop Israel and would increase Russia’s genocide of Ukrainians as well as imperil the entirety of Europe.
That was not my point. NATO is a stabilizing force. If you remove it, Russia and others will just go on the war path and more people will suffer…
I acknowledge the suffering of the Palestinians and think that needs to stop. In the past I argued that the war crime angle against Netanyahu should be picked up by the icc… and now they ruled there is enough evidence to issue an arrest warrant.
But NATO does not support these atrocities. Countries in NATO do… but how does the NATO organisation do that?
This seems to be of the same mold as “the UN does not do anything but talk” yeah… the UN is a talking organisation… that’s their goal… keep people in dialogue and serve as a platform to hopefully have member countries do stuff.
NATO is a defense alliance… member countries not actively doing something against Israëls agression does not mean that it would be up to NATO to do something.
I’ll try to put things into some historical perspective, as briefly as I can.
NATO was supposed to be a stabilizing force against the Soviet Bloc. During the cold war that was the rational.
Some claim that it was a tool to confirm and maintain US military hegemony and I tend to agree with this take. After approx 1993, through its interventions this started to be more and more obvious, especially to those living in the global South.
When did NATO go to war outside the Iraq war? I seem to have missed that.
NATO didn’t go to war with Iraq, the coalition of the willing did. NATO got involved later on with a mission to train the Iraqi army but that’s a footnote, also, not actual combat.
Afghanistan was a NATO war, triggered by the US invoking Article 5. NATO also intervened in Yugoslavia. Everyone was pretty much genociding everyone there, massacres left and right, but the Serbs had a disproportionate amount of military resources and were able to do systematic genocide which prompted the intervention. And please for your own sanity ignore anything Chomsky has to say about the thing he’s still calling concentration camps refugee shelters. “CIA says something so the opposite must be true” brainworms.
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Yeah that’s right… thanks.
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It’s not a benevolent alliance between partners, it’s a vassal-overlord relationship,
Why do I only hear that kind of thing from Americans with their penchant for exceptionalism, or vatniks.
You could see just how much control the US has over NATO by the amount of states telling them to pound sand when it came to Vietnam, when it came to Iraq.
Do not forget who empowered the russian fascists or the talibans in the first place.
Reagan, and the Pakistani ISI, respectively.
Well that’s a constructive answer, and not even a good one. Maybe spend a little less time in your echo chambers and look at all factors of conflicts instead of US bad… rest is irrelevant.
NATO has been supporting Israel
Source?
Some ‘members’ of NATO may be…
But NATO has absolutely nothing to do with Israel or Palestine…
Here is NATO
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52044.htm
You think Turkey is on Israel’s side?.. You’re a goof…
My source for NATO supporting Israel come from NATO’s site. Here are a couple of examples:
NATO Secretary General: “Israel does not stand alone”
Or “indirectly” by claiming in a joint press conference by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and the US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken
that we continue to believe clearly that the allegations of genocide are without merit
Yes, those are US bootlickers stating their verbal support, but NATO cannot participate in Palestine because to deploy NATO forces article 5 must be invoked by a member country and it must be in response to an attack on said member country. That is the core principle of the treaty. It’s a self defense treaty, of which Israel is not a part of.
If any country participates in the genocide of the Palestinian people, they do so of their own volition and not at the behest of NATO. Canada leaving NATO or NATO being dissolved would have no bearing whatsoever on the Israeli genocide. The shared NATO membership may foster relationships and cooperation on extra treaty operations, but these are not NATO operations. To be a NATO operation, it has to be an article 5 operation or some operation mandated by the UN, and while the latter has happened, it was highly controversial that it did, as it was beyond the scope of the NATO treaty.
This protest demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what NATO is or how it works and ultimately even if they got what they wanted, which they won’t, it wouldn’t have accomplished what they were aiming for. The fundamental difference between a NATO operation and an operation of NATO member countries not consecrated in the treaty, is that the former is required to remain in NATO and the latter is completely voluntary.
NATO has stopped all cooperation with Israel because Turkey has vetoed it: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-blocks-nato-israel-cooperation-over-gaza-war-sources-say-2024-08-01/
Europe need it not Canada and it should be 100% run by Europe
Because Canada has no reason to be concerned about Russian aggression? Isn’t literally right next door to them? Doesn’t regularly intercept russian incursions into Canadian airspace? Has nothing to be concerned about regarding the NW passage and Arctic expansion?
Straight up Russian propaganda you’re selling here.
Because Russia has zero ambitions to conquer the arctics?
Sure, Ivan.
Tankie
Alliance members get to decide who’s in their alliance. Nobody’s preventing you from expressing your opinion, but it’s pointless.
Yeah, I’m sure Canada not being allied with a bunch of other naval powers would be a lot better for the residents of Монреаль in the long run.
It is weird that there are these protest groups wearing particular scarves that always seem to be acting in the interest of Russia.
Honest question: has the USSR or Russia ever attempted to invade Canada? I only know that Canada had sent military around 1917 to fight against communism (well, what is called this way) but I don’t know much more on the topic.
Honest question: has the USA or NATO ever attempted to invade the USSR or Russia?
No. But then Chamberlain thought Hitler would stop with central Europe.
To my knowledge Chamberlain is pretty famous for his misjudgments. Anyways, thanks for answering my question
NATO isn’t the problem, support to Israel is.
Russia sponsored protest gets reported by local news, after the break.
They could have protested against the involvement of Canada in the war (is there any?), against Israel, in favor of a Palestine state…
Disappointed that this happened at all, but the fact that it was only 80 people is a plus. Seems like it’s just a small group of terminally online agitators.
Tankies be tankin’
An how many of them actually have the first clue why they’re asking for that?
Vlad’s tentacles slithering into Canada.
Send them to fight in Ukraine. Let them pick a side too.
When they ask why, tell them this is what would happen if there was no NATO. They would be drafted into the war. Just like in WW2.
Oh, I think we all know which side they would fight if given the choice. They would twerk for ‘Daddy Vladi’.
The problem would sort itself out pretty quickly then. Tankies are what you would refer to as полезные дураки, or useful idiots. If Putin doesn’t care about sending full blooded Russians to die in meat grinder assaults against fortified positions, then he sure as hell wouldn’t give a shit about a bunch of western groupies who want to cosplay the USSR. Most of the idiots on Lemmy.ml and Hexbear wouldn’t last more than a week, I would wager.
80 protesters is all Putin could afford, eh?
I’d prefer people who know nothing about quantum mechanics argue whether or not there should be multiple dimensions.
You can shove your new cold war into your butthole. And no, I’m not russian.
