• Max-P@lemmy.max-p.me
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      because it failed to include the most important requirement to protect Americans’ civil rights: that law enforcement get a warrant before targeting a US citizen

      So, he wants the government to dig dirt on US residents, but only if they’re immigrants or temporary workers.

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            Talk to the interned Japanese or the community organizers in the Cobbs Creek neighborhood bombed by the Philly PD. It wasn’t just starting with the Patriot Act.

            The US has a long and storied tradition of claiming “These people don’t count” when enumerating civil rights.

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    So it seems that there are indeed issues where “both sides” agree.

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    Everyone hates Rand Paul but he voted no on this, as did others on the left and the right. Fuck fascism and fuck left authoritarianism.

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    Goddamn. What in the fuck is this timeline even. Now we need a THIRD secured device to secure comms between a remote server to stop MITM shit for fucks sake. Time to go deeper I guess.

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      Surveillance is bad, but in other parts of the world people die in wars and get killed with families for their ethnicity and\or religion, with punishing the perpetrators not even being attempted.

      I’d say these tendencies in the (power-wise) center of the world are the reason for more violence on the rim, though.

      So in my opinion this is generally one and the same battle.

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        This abstraction sucks. Every abstraction justifying shitty behavior should be scrutinized out of existence.

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          Such an idiotic comment really.

          I’m saying this whole phenomenon hits you and your part of the world less than any other.

          I said that in a more subtle way, because I never expect people who fail at reading to blame that on me.

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            In a very confusing way you are saying surveillance is justified because in other parts of the world people are not protected by their country’s justice system. So it’s better to be overly surveiled than nothing at all.

            Which I fundamentally disagree with and am equally upset about either circumstance.

            Especially when the people doing the surveillance operate outside the confinement of the justice system. See BLM.

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      Joe Biden, while loading a very large gun: “It would be terrible if Donald Trump ever got his hands on this.”

      Donald Trump, having loaded that same gun 4 years ago: “We have to retake the White House from this far-left communist maniac, because he’s going to use that very large gun against White People!”

      What a fucking racket.

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    It’s very funny that the workable compromise between “this is important for national security” and “this infringes on basic liberty” is “maybe we just do it for 2 years and see how we feel after that.”