• magnetosphere@kbin.social
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    7 months ago

    Well, a few people have already pointed out the nastiest sounding one, so I’ll go with wolfgirl.bar

    Pretty sure I’d want eye bleach after that.

    • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Or of curiosity, what’s bad about that one? I’m a person who likes animal peepz, but if they’ve been defederated there’s gotta be more to it that “wolf girls the server”

      Quick edit: I went there and I need an account to see stuff, which id rather not do if this server has issues.

  • lemmyingly@lemm.eeEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Where/how is this obtained?

    I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.

    • Dramatic Shitposter@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Where/how is this obtained?

      I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.

      fba.ryona.agency

      Be aware that it doesn’t track when lemmy instances defederate from other fediverse instances correctly and hasn’t for months, and that it’s run someone from one of those 50 defederated instances.

  • spookex@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then

    • CryoBoot@lemmy.worldBEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Not sure why this is downvoted, but’s been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.

      • Hal-5700X@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Not sure why this is downvoted

        Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it’s unkillable.

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          7 months ago

          People frown upon doxxing and stalking, the law does so too.

          Especially if it is just to push people into suicide.

          Any sane person would hate KiwiFarms. They are the degenerates of the internet. Akin to skinheads. Anyone who identifies as one of them should be banned, IP blocked and seriously beaten if encountered in real life.

  • key@lemmy.keychat.orgEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected “racism” when defederating so it’s probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it’s a lot of “other” or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.

        • magnetosphere@kbin.social
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          7 months ago

          Here’s the beginning of the Wikipedia article:

          Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums, is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment.

          So, it’s an assholefarm.

          Although the name originated with one particular site, it looks like the name now applies to any site that serves a similar purpose. Bleah.

        • ijeff@lemdro.idEnglish
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          7 months ago

          Agreed! I’m really appreciative of folks putting this kind of work into Lemmy.

      • drathvedro@lemm.eeEnglish
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        7 months ago

        What’s up with all the pedo instances? Why are they creating instances in an open web? Are they dumb or something? It sounds to me that just registering the domain names of some of those could be considered a crime, nevermind openly inviting and hosting CSAM.

        • Fraylor@lemm.eeEnglish
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          7 months ago

          “Minor attracted person” the whitewashed version of the word pedophile.

  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.caEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Some of these im… Curious about. Presumably the names are dog whistles (when they’re not just openly stating their purpose)… But IDK the whistle so I’m curious af.

    Not curious enough to get put on some list by actually checking them out though lol

    • Arelin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I bet a large part of the Fediverse are Communist/Socialist too, or have similar ideas. Lemmy’s devs are, after all.

      I mean, the whole thing is based on the idea of being free to use for everyone.

      • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        I see your Point. I see myself also as rather left. But the People over at Lemmygrad are not really left imo. They are authoritarian, for sure. But left? I don’t know. I don’t want to claim to be the sole “Incarnation of leftism” it’s just that many of my views and beliefs are the opposite of theirs.

        • winterayars@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          7 months ago

          There is, for better or worse, authoritarianism on the left. “You will be fed and given a place to stay and personal safety… or else!” Even in its more benign forms (ex Bolshevism) it’s kinda bad imo. When it gets extreme it gets… well… being an English speaker i’m sure you’ve heard all about it.

        • JJROKCZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          7 months ago

          The spectrum is more than left and right, I know political compass memes on Reddit got taken over by nazis but there is legitimately a whole compass. Stalin is somewhat center left, nudist hippie communes are lower left corner

        • Arelin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          7 months ago

          Being vehemently against racism and fascism is left. It’s the logical extreme opposite of “a certain group of people are superior to everyone else”: “everyone is equal and their basic necessities should be provided for free”

          You just seem to disagree with the folks over on grad and Lemmy devs on how that can be achieved, and maybe to what extent it should be. They believe an authority is necessary to enforce those rules, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now.

          Personally, I see being pro-China like they are on grad as much less worrying than being pro-US, the latter of which I have a feeling .world mods wouldn’t block because of their inherent western bias. Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries for their resources, or overthrown democratically elected foreign governments to replace them with military dictatorships.

          • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            7 months ago

            Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries

            The People of Tibet might disagree there. But this is a discussion for another Time.

            I’m not pro US either, tho. I just call out evil when I see it. And that’s my Problem with Lemygrad. They seem to believe there are only two sides. I can say America does bad things and China, Russia etc. does bad things. They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done. And that’s not how we come forward. Evil is Evil is Evil. No matter who does it.

            • Arelin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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              7 months ago

              They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done

              That’s a heavy oversimplification of everything on there… I see the folks on grad being mad about bad decisions by China just the same; they just heavily scrutinize negative news for bias or misinfo, as people should do for everything.

              If you do scrutinize your news and sources, I think it’s only natural that you’d end up being very anti-west/imperialism, and far less anti-China, specially considering the grip western media and news have on the world. The two are just not equivalent at all.

              The People of Tibet might disagree there

              Here’s an example of that. The fact that China’s education system makes sure ~90% of Tibetans can speak their cultural language compared to the ~8% of North Americans that can speak theirs means they’re just not equivalent. The only countries accusing China of such a fucked up crime like cultural repression are western ones with a political/economic interest for doing so. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this and Xinjiang.

              • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                7 months ago

                You don’t get it. I don’t compare. It is not that is worse than that. China attacked Tibet and conquered their Land. I don’t need to compare this to the US. I don’t care if Country XYZ says it was good. Evil is Evil is Evil. Pull yourself away from comparing. You don’t have to weigh Evil against each other.

                EDIT:

                They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done.

                You are doing exactly that. You try to argue and justify the annexation of Tibet. You could easily say “Yeah, that was not okay. China invaded and occupied Tibet, this is not okay.” But instead you are trying to compare this to the US and bring up other Countries and what they think. THIS is exactly what I meant.

                • Arelin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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                  7 months ago

                  you are trying to compare this to the US and bring up other Countries and what they think

                  Shouldn’t we look at different sources and scrutinize events and claims thoroughly? You seem to be thinking you’re being objective by taking a centrist position on these but this

                  China invaded and occupied Tibet

                  is a western claim, and exactly what the US and EU wants its citizens to think by drawing a false equivalence between them and their geopolitical rival. Tibet had a popular revolutionary party whose views were in line with the rest of China that wanted China’s help overthrowing the Dalai Lama, under whom slavery and serfdom was common in the region. There absolutely were factions supporting the prior feudal rule, but chalking that up to “China invaded and occupied Tibet” is absurd and extremely misleading. Tibet is an autonomous region now.

                  Hell, the Tibetan uprising against the Chinese government later on was organized by the CIA, and the US is open about it and even proud of it now. Here’s a book on that written by a US district judge and a journal by a professor on Tibetan studies. It’s similar to how the US overthrew the democratically elected Mosaddegh in Iran because his policies would benefit Iran instead of the US.

              • DessertStorms@kbin.social
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                7 months ago

                Amazing, it only took you 2 comments to land right on genocide denial, unprovoked.
                You’re a tankie, defending other tankies, and tankies aren’t communists, nor are you on the left, since you clearly aren’t in support of freedom and equality for all, never mind the rest of it, just more of the same bullshit - authoritarians co opting leftist ideas and language to grab power. Tale as old as fucking time…

    • winterayars@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear are actually pretty benign. They’re just on the verge of being acceptable to people so they make a lot of noise and cause a lot of drama but in terms of the actual bad actors… well, as you can see, they don’t even rate.

      • neidu@feddit.nlEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Agreed. While I tend to disagree with most of the viewpoints coming from lemmygrad, at least the content is posted with benign intent. The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor.

      • Socsa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Meh, I don’t really find the open mass murder fetish benign at all. I don’t care what color your fash is, it’s still abhorrent.

        • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafeEnglish
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          7 months ago

          I guess it’s slightly better that they’re mostly honest deniers instead of “they had it coming” types.

          I think. I personally find it refreshing in small doses to deal with people that actually know what the fuck they’re talking about in terms of political theory, some of the shit .world users will say is…

          Upsetting, intellectually.

          Of course, so is talking to a genuine Stalinist.

          • Socsa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            7 months ago

            My experience with hexbear has been pretty fucking far from them knowing political theory, outside of one very specific niche they can kind of articulate as long as you don’t ask them to reduce any of it to fundamentals or first principles.

            As far as I can tell, their one trick is quoting books they haven’t actually read, assuming nobody else has read them either. I’ve literally had this same interaction three or four times at this point, over books which don’t say the things they think they say. Like multiple people arguing that some Chomsky work supports their orthodox ML theory.

            You can literally get them to argue against the works they are trying cite by quoting them. It’s amusing for a bit, but then it’s just sad.

            • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafeEnglish
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              7 months ago

              Hexbear and Lemmygrad are different instances, but tbh at this point I’m just happy with people that can at least vaguely define liberalism and socialism, and I don’t have to see the great minds upvote “communism is right wing, AKSHUALLY, because right wing means authoritarian.”

              Edit: ah wait, your comment was under one about both, I conflated it with the other chain about Lemmygrad specifically.

    • deleted@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I think lemmygrad isn’t that bad considering pedo.school is halfway through the list.

    • smeg@feddit.ukEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I think this highlights what people think when they hear “defederating” vs its actual purpose. It’s controversial when it’s between serious instances that people actually use but with wildly incompatible opinions, but there’s very few objections when it’s blocking CSAM!

      • Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Okay, yeah this was my thought as I wrote this, I won’t deny it. But to be fair, LemmyGrad does more than just to be controversial. They provoke and brigade and justify terrible Crimes against Humanity. And I might bet that some of the Stuff they say could even be illegal here in Germany.

        • smeg@feddit.ukEnglish
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          7 months ago

          I imagine most of the big servers have them blocked but it’s probably the individual servers that make up the majority of the numbers. If you’re self-hosting then you can just ignore instances you don’t like and be relatively confident they won’t hassle you. The other kind though, probably want to preempt them!

  • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    This is the reason why Lemmy doesn’t grow as much as it could. Keep defederating until all instances are single islands with 10 users each and no useful content.

    • Nobsi@feddit.deEnglish
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      7 months ago

      To a degree. I think lemmy wont grow because only socially inept nerd losers frequent this site.

      • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        What about everything else that isn’t “socially inept nerd losers” that is also defederated because someone felt like it. This is the same issues that we’ve with “freedom of speech”, if you block some it’s a slippery slope and you’ll eventually block what you shouldn’t. Look I don’t approve the actions and content those people post, for let’s not open precedents here.

        • Nobsi@feddit.deEnglish
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          7 months ago

          I disagree with tankies, social justice warriors and nazis. I would only defederate the latter.
          Tankies get banned when they inevitably excuse a holocaust and social justice warriors can only cry on the internet all day about why nobody gives them free shit just for existing and how people who have more than them are monsters.

          There, i opened the can of worms.
          Fuck Nazis, but the biggest Problem lemmy has is the first 2.
          Lemmy has no good content that isn’t “having money is genocide” and “haha this guy doesnt use Linux”
          It won’t do well but ill stand on the side and watch them.

    • IdleSheep@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Yes, I’m sure the reason we don’t grow is because we refuse to federate with nazi and pedo content. Oh what will the fediverse do without these folks.

      • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Yeah sure, in the same way that piracy was defederated or other multiple instances about nothing illegal.

    • Kayn@dormi.zoneEnglish
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      7 months ago

      Name one reason why anyone should federate with any of the listed instances. I’ll wait.

      • TCB13@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Just because there are bad places on the street it doesn’t mean people shouldn’t be allowed to go there.

        • Kayn@dormi.zoneEnglish
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          7 months ago

          Is anyone keeping you from opening the bad instance in your browser? No.

          If you want to go there, make an account there.

  • yamanii@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Eientei? From touhou? Wonder what’s in there. Also was expecting to see the pawoo competitor misskey.io since several japanese artists went there after Musk bought twitter.

    • Peter1986C@lemmings.worldEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I checked. Mostly a handful-of-people instance doing whatever on some Pleroma/Akkoma instance. Not much to see there and not much of what I could see there seemed to make much sense to me. Perhaps the defeds are mostly preventative but I cannot tell.

  • AngryMob@lemmy.oneEnglish
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    7 months ago

    This should include a user count in each so we can see just how many pedos and nazis are being punted to their own little disgusting bubbles

    • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      7 months ago

      A little correction: while some of pedo instances are full of potential child abusers, others are based on non-offending (i.e. stop fucking children ffs) principles.

      The latter are actually extremely important since they provide a gateway for otherwise potentially dangeous individuals to gain support and find professional help. Trying to instead blindly seed hatred towards people with any immutable traits is never productive, be it any mental disorder, sexuality, or otherwise, same as race and gender. In this case, it only prevents pedophiles from seeking help, making them more likely to become the child predator type and actually pose danger to kids.

      Being a pedophile is not a choice. Being a Nazi or a child abuser are, and those should fuck themselves (but also reconsider what they do and what they believe in).

      • AngryMob@lemmy.oneEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Being a pedo may not be a choice, but acting on it definitely is. And any pedo who has to go searching for pedo friendly communities is not looking for help, theyre looking to get off.

        Its not a big secret to them that they have something wrong to live with. They dont need a support community to tell them how not to fuck kids. It shouldnt take that much self control for them to not fuck kids…

        I’d even bet the vast majority of them already do just fine living normal lives. Just like the vast majority of “normal” adults dont go around raping each other just because they feel sexually aroused by someone.

        • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          7 months ago

          How do you jump from “searching for pedo friendly communities” to “looking to get off”?

          Imagine being a gay in a country where you’ll be in real danger if you’ll ever mention it. Would you like to have someone at least online to talk about how you feel? Probably yes. Same idea. It’s hard to hold up things that big throughout life, as just about any closeted LGBT+ person will tell you.

          And then with any attraction that is actually dangerous and also illegal when acted on, like, well, pedophilia, or zoophilia, or biastophilia, or God knows what, there will always be people in doubt on whether they should go for it or not. And a community of people with the same issue telling them “we know how you feel, but CERTAINLY NO” would be way more productive than randoms on the Internet shaming them and putting them into the same bin as actual rapists.

          Of course, most of them will probably never offend regardless. But people in doubt, as well as people in mental distress, are to always keep in mind. And if you ignore them, you get more child abuse, more suicides, and more pain and suffering in the world.

          • AngryMob@lemmy.oneEnglish
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            7 months ago

            Maybe im wrong and they need support. Maybe im not. I certainly am in no position to say one way or another with authority. But i’d rather be wrong about keeping them shamed than be wrong about letting them feel positive about their issue.

            Either way, i respectfully am done discussing the topic for now. I will give your opinions some thought though.

      • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        I’ll play the devil’s advocate here. Not supporting or opposing your point of view. Just to add to the discussion. Let’s use another extreme: People with a killing spree sexual attraction. I know, I know, it may be not the same, and it’s something that doesn’t exist (God I hope!) But for the sake of the argument, let’s assume it does.

        You have this forum of people posting memes about mass killings and frustrations about not being able to kill, but that you would totally never ever kill anyone, even though the urge is there.

        What would you think of such community? Would it be a safe one?

        (Dear CIA, NSA, FBI agents, the above is just a completely hypothetical scenario. I am a law-abiding citizen. Always have, always will.)

        • FlickOfTheBean@lemmy.world
          English
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          7 months ago

          …there is a joke here that I could make about incel forums. I’m not going to try to because it’s in poor taste, but my point is that I’m pretty sure that does exist…

          Also, what’s your actual position if that’s your devil’s advocate position? I’m a bit unsure if the implication there is intentional or not

          • El Barto@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            7 months ago

            Well, I don’t really have a position. I think pedophilia is heinous, but I understand that sexual attraction is not a choice. Would an internet forum be a good and healthy supporting tool for pedophiles making an effort to do the right thing? That’s the question I’m trying to answer.

        • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          7 months ago

          I’d argue it’s way better to give them a platform to vent, so instead of going to the street and killing everyone they post memes and share therapists.

          Would I be grossed out? Hell yeah, just like with pedophilia. Would I still think it’s a good thing? Absolutely.

          It’s easy to go with your gut feeling and think you’re righteous to follow it. It’s always harder to think it through and do and support what’s actually right.