• Telodzrum@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Real wages are up for three straight years; they were unmoved or negative for nearly four decades before that. Your feelings about the economy don’t matter when the data all goes in the other direction

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        5 months ago

        Your feelings about the economy don’t matter when the data all goes in the other direction

        Except its not “all the data”. Its “the data we’ve always used to measure this up to now”.

        The disconnect is that classic measurements of national economic health used to reflect the earning and spending power of average Americans. So using the same basket of measures and things that can affect those was a valid approach. In recent years those measurements don’t reflect average Americans anymore. Inflation has eaten away at the value of savings impacting older Americans. High interest rates are now acting as a double whammy for young Americans that need borrow for higher education as well as first time home buyers, but the costs of both have risen sharply in the last 20 years. So while the high cost has been a problem, the now high interest rates are a force multiplier stepping on the necks of young Americans.

        I don’t disagree that Biden’s actions have improved classic measurements. Those are still valid and useful for where they apply. I disagree that those measurements still reflect the experience of regular Americans. Thats a problem that extra economic measures should be included when looking at the experience of regular Americans.

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          This. Buying power of the average American has decreased drastically. If you worked for the last five years and your pay has changed you’ve technically made less money every year as the power of the dollar has diminished. If you’re on a fixed income it feels even worse.

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            There are plenty of problems with CPI, one of which is the very issue of “feelings”. Owners equivalent rent is absolutely irrelevant to actual rent costs. It’s just how much a homeowner says they would charge if they were to rent out their place. These are not the people renting out units…they’re just someone who happened to have enough money to buy a house. WTF do they know.

        • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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          Your feelings about the economy don’t matter when the data all goes in the other direction

          Except its not “all the data”. Its “the data we’ve always used to measure this up to now”.

          I hear you saying an apples-to-apples comparison to show a point is … somehow bad.

          Sometimes I just don’t know what people want.

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            I hear you saying an apples-to-apples comparison to show a point is … somehow bad.

            You’re gonna have to grow out of just thinking there are only two outcomes: “good” and “bad”. The world is more complicated than that. The classic indicators don’t reflect the modern average American experience anymore. They were chosen in a different time under different circumstances. They were chosen when a college education cost a couple of thousand dollars a year, a average blue color worker could buy a brand new car every two years, and a small house was easily affordable for a single income earner with the other staying at home raising kids. Clearly you can see how this is now out-of-date with modern American life.

            They’re fine as a useful apples-to-apples comparison to national economic health, but today fail to show what average Americans experience.

            Sometimes I just don’t know what people want.

            Introduce some nuance into your worldview and that may help you understand.

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        5 months ago

        People are (sometimes willfully) confusing “the current status quo is fucked” with “there is no improvement resulting from the measures taken by the administration”. The former is true - the latter is not.

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      5 months ago

      He has no incentive to do better. It’s him or Trump and he knows most democrats have bought into fear politics. He has the vote no matter what. I’m personally voting for neither. And please save your time trying to convince me otherwise.