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    If people had half a brain then the alarms have been ringing nonstop for years and any attempt to explain why so we can fix it resulted in failure.

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    I fear that instead of an era of reform, the response to this act of violence and to the widespread rage it has ushered into view will be limited to another round of retreat by the wealthiest. Corporate executives are already reportedly beefing up their security. I expect more of them to move to gated communities, entrenched beyond even higher walls, protected by people with even bigger guns.

    Unfortunately the alarms are ringing for the wrong people. This is worrying as modern technology can allow these people to deal with mobs and riots a lot more effectively.

    This is also why in certain grassroots communities people have been pressing for more radical, immediate action. If the big guys at the top start getting spooked then it could be too late for any efforts at dethroning them.

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      Yeah Bashar al-Assad knew there were a lot of people in his country that wanted to remove him from power. Because of this a movement to remove him from power completely failed. Oh wait, no, the opposite of that happened.

      It’s actually more the norm that smaller actions (successful or not) snowball into larger actions. A movement isn’t a bunch of academics discussing ideology. It requires real actions non-academics can relate to.

      Honestly it would be better for the people in power if this guy is never found. If they kill him, he becomes a martyr. If he’s put on trial, that’s an event that could spark protests. It’s better for the powers that be if everyone just forgets this ever happened.

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        I agree that it most likely is in the best interests for those in power to just drop the assassination story and pretend it never happened, but if it is the best choice it’s the best in a series of bad choices for the powerful. Underneath the immediate concern of one of the peonage getting up the courage to kill one of the Princes of the Universe is the general public response.

        Every day the assassin stays free and in the news is a day everyone can see that the American public supports and condones the killing of people in C-suite (and likely beyond C-suite). That is one hell of a permission structure now in place. If the Powers That Be then pretend the killing didn’t even happen letting the assassin off the hook, that’s them giving carte blanche to copycats to do as they will, nobody is going to stop you. Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

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    Yes. It SHOULD ring alarms. It should have rang alarms 100 years ago. It should make the rich and elite sit down and really contemplate the fact that nobody, NOBODY, gives a damn if they die, and we’ll openly celebrate the fact that they just got shot in the face. The world will be happy they’re gone.

    It should make them sit down and ask the all important question of WHY.

    Why would a nation cheer wildly at their death? What have they done to deserve that kind of treatment? And when they start asking those questions, hopefully they find the answers. Hopefully something is put right in their face that forces them to empathize with those they’ve hurt, and those that would not hesitate to shoot.

    I do not know the shooters name. I do not know the shooters identity. However we ALL know the shooters story. We may not know the specifics. He may be dying, and was denied his own health. He may be losing or already lost a loved one. Whatever the case, we all know the motive. And what should scare these CEOs is that Brian Thompson never learned a lesson. There was no 3 ghosts of Christmas. Brian Thompson was just walking down the street one day. And suddenly he was dead. He didn’t even have time to process it. He never knew his killers name. He may not have even known he was targeted. He may have died before he even realized what’s going on.

    But the rest of them? They should all be sitting in their homes, thinking about if they’re next. WHY they would be next, and what they’ve done to potentially be targeted in the future. What can they do to stop it?

    Because for once in my life, I’m seeing real consequences for corrupt and evil behavior. THATS why everyone is cheering. It’s been a long time coming, and we’re all just hoping this turns into Americas version of the french revolution.

    We’re not against the idea of working hard and becoming rich for it. We’re against the idea of becoming rich by exploiting the literal lives of those you step on. And that seems to be almost the exclusive way to become rich in this country. It’s sickening.

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      We (in the US) just elected a grifting, criminal “billionaire”. I don’t think the animosity so loudly and gleefully displayed in the reactions to the murder of this asshole insurance ghoul is representative of a newly heightened consciousness of wealth inequality. I hope that it is the start of something, but I’ve been disappointed in the public way too many times.

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      We’re not against the idea of working hard and becoming rich for it. We’re against the idea of becoming rich by exploiting the literal lives of those you step on. And that seems to be almost the exclusive way to become rich in this country. It’s sickening.

      I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:

      I don’t care if you make money. I don’t care if you make a lot of money. I care when you pull out all the stops in order to make ALL OF THE MONEY, FOREVER, without any regard for what you destroy, or who you hurt or even kill in order to get it.

      Brian Thompson built his fortune off the pain, suffering, and deaths of others, and the world is a slightly better place without him.

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      Agreed - the alarm bells should have been ringing long ago.

      There was a social contract between the upper and lower class (the middle class is a lie used to further divide us) that was basically - we’ll let you have your mansions as long as our quality of life improves as well. But the rich have been hollowing out that agreement for decades. The highest tax bracket (the percentage taxed on income only above a certain amount) has plummeted since the middle of the 20th century. Regulations have been removed and replaced with weaker regulations (like Dodd/Frank) and then THOSE regulations have been hollowed out. Any sense of responsibility and duty the rich might have ever had to the people and place that rewarded them so greatly has vanished and in place of it is cynical and manipulative and greedy - because the only thing that matters is getting more and taking more - removing the safety barriers that keep them from getting more, no matter who it might hurt because somehow acquiring wealth has become the most important thing (not doing something great, improving the world, or helping others).

      At each step, the social contract weakens. As long as enough people aren’t feeling the pain they’re going to abide by their part of the bargain because most of the rest of us ARE actually just trying to live good lives and make sure it’s good for those around us. But there will be a moment when enough people are feeling the pain and won’t have any other choice but to act. In a system where justice is only dealt to the lower class - that action is guaranteed to be carried out outside the system.

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        There was never a social contract. Sorry, but that’s absolute nonsense. The power of the wealthy has always been engacted through manipulation, intimidation and fraud. Claiming there was a social contract between the wealthy and the rest of us is like claiming that there was a social contract between slaves and slave owners.

        There’s no contract, there’s no agreement, there’s no relationship; that’s a fantasy concocted by the wealthy to justify their wealth. There is only power and exploitation. And exploitation will always grow worse over time.

        They abuse us, and we let them abuse us because we’re not desperate enough to stop them.

        Not yet.

        But it’s getting there.

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          I mean the social contract is not always a physical thing and not always by explicit consent. Just by carrying out our part of the system and accepting the benefits of it (infrastructure/protection/stability) we are implicitly consenting to it.

          That being said, I absolutely agree with you that it is always slanted heavily toward the wealthy and not to benefit the working class but only to keep them in line.

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        I like ownership and working class. That’s the real distinction seperateing us. People who work for money, and people who own things for money. Even 6 figure doctors and lawyers are working class.

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      You’re mostly angry at the same thing. You’ve just come to different conclusions as to what to do about it.

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      They aren’t as stupid as they come off as. They know things are bad and that the rich are fucking them they’re just wrong about how and why

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        They think the Dems are the ones allowing the CEOs to fleece us and think Trump will do something about it. They are stupid and easily manipulated. Their legit anger, but lack of skepticism is allowing them to be lead around by charlatans.

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            Many Dems actually believe that they are the good guys and aren’t also to blame for the corpo nature of America.

            Two sides of easily manipulated angry people being led by charlatans.

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              Many Dems actually believe that they are the good guys and aren’t also to blame for the corpo nature of America.

              Biden increased the minimum corporate tax rate from 0% to 15%. By following the money (and the tax rates) we cut thru the tired bullshit of vague claims. The best way to achieve clarity is to focus like a laser on what happens with tax rates.

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              Can we not do “both sides are the same” as we’re sliding into a dictatorship?

              Most younger D voters don’t actually like the DNC and don’t believe that they will help much. They just prefer that to the active harm the Republicans are trying to achieve.

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                Most younger D voters don’t actually like the DNC and don’t believe that they will help much.

                Lets not pretend its just youth. Its every demographic, isnt it.

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                  I know too many boomers and GenX who were excited for Biden and Harris. Don’t get me wrong, I still voted for them and kept my cynical comments offline until after the election, but I sure as hell wasn’t excited.

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        They know things are bad and that the rich are fucking them

        Which they 100% enabled.

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        Nah they’re fucking concavebrains. They think Harris was the greedy corrupt party and that Trump will drain the swamp.

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          The DNC is a greedy, corrupt party which is wildly out of touch and only exists to enrich themselves

          Before you @ me, the GOP are howling fascists who are just better at spinning the narrative by establishing an “other” as a scapegoat

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            Given that both parties, on a global scale are right of centre that makes sense. Dems are right of centre and more similar to most other nations right wing parties and that just pushes the republicans further right. You have no left wing party, just a party that is more left than the other.

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          Biden/Harris didnt give a crap what Dem voters wanted or what was good for society. So the DNC have been concavebrains for a good long while as well. You’re not exactly wrong, but ‘Glass houses’, friend.

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            Biden was a good president, his competition wasn’t even close as far as what is good for america, and Biden won the primaries because more people voted for him.

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              Biden was against so many things that dems wanted, like single payer health care and medicare for all, and he directly enabled a far right genocide of innocents when 87% of dems (at one point anyway) did not. He also pretty openly sucked off the rich. He could have fixed our broken racist classist justice system and he went the wrong way entirely on that. He was against expanding the supreme court and now look where thats led. Straight to a sweep of every single lever of power and the stage set on his watch for very possibly the end of the republic.

              Doing a bunch of unpopular things and then running again when he should have known he was both too unpopular and too medically incapabale to win essentially knifed every Dem right in the back.

              I wouldnt bet on history being kind to Biden. I guess I could send you a much longer list of ways he was a terrible senator and a terrible president and deserved his low approvals, but whats it matter anymore?

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                If there were any reality where Dems had enough votes for single payer then he as president absolutely would have signed it into law with no hesitation.

                You’re basically speaking in tongues about choices people did not make in alternate dimensions.

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                  And you’re pretending the president couldnt have worked toward it, and that the only thing he can do is whats handed to him on a silver platter with all the votes ready to go. That thing he is missing is called leadership. The president is supposed to be the leader of the party and is supposed to push forward the party platform, not wait in his chair like a noble waiting to be handed a message that he has won something.

                  He didnt even try to work toward it. We needed a leader and we got a right leaning dealmaker with a lifelong fear of criticism from the right and a fetish for making republicans happy and feeling like he’s on his own side and who cares what his partys platform is.

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      Sure is. Class politics is ultimately more powerful than culture war spectacle. Events like this bring that truth to the forefront - the worker class is United against the owning class, for the most part.

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    If we have more politicians like Bernie and AOC, we’d see less of this kind of mess. Where’s the movement that gets people like them more support?

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      Suppressed by the people in power. It’s better for them if we fight over culture war bullshit and that’s (IMO) why the right pushes so hard against things being “woke” or “dei” or whatever new scary buzzword those dumb fucks come up with.

      We’re too busy arguing amongst ourselves to realise we should all be looking up at the corrupt rich. But with bought off media and the ability to push propaganda at a previously impossible level just a few decades ago, a ton of the population is kept perpetually angry because non-white/straight people have the audacity to exist.

      I’m a native (aka native American/indigenous however you want to call it) and over the last few years I’ve noticed people are increasingly comfortable showing their racism. I get followed around in stores while I’m shopping for groceries occasionally, I get managers staring me down because I took too long looking around and they think I was trying to steal and that my debit card will be declined, people happily making small talk with others and then blankly staring at me and saying nothing to me even when I’m being pleasant to them etc. All anecdotal of course and I could just be getting more bitter as I get older, but it honestly feels like a trend to me.

      I’ve been dealing with that shit since I was a teen, you always get judged just for having the audacity to be born the wrong skin color anywhere but it’s (anecdotally) gotten much worse over the last few years, which just so happens to coincide with the rise of the right all over the world.

      I really hate the world sometimes tbh.

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      2016 was the year that people demanded a populist leader. The DNC sabotaged Bernie, which lead to low D voter turnout and the RNC bent at the knee at Trump’s threats to run as a third party.

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        How did the DNC sabotage Bernie? Bernie was allowed in the Primary despite not even belonging to the party, and primary voters chose Hillary Clinton by a huge margin.

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            If I remember right, super delegates were the main reason Bernie lost the nomination.

            That is 100% false. Unfortunately Bernie never got a majority of the ELECTED delegates.

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        How can the DNC possibly suppress them? If anything, the fact that they let Third Party Bernie Sanders run in primaries for a spot on DNC presidential ticket, multiple times, is astonishing.

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      DSA, Working Families Party, Our Revolution, maybe other more radical groups like CPUSA or PSL.

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          And rightly so. AOC supported the bill which conflates any criticism of the state of Israel as anti semitisim. Friends tell friends when they are wrong.

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    expect more of them to move to gated communities, entrenched beyond even higher walls, protected by people with even bigger guns.

    Protecting oneself from gunmen by surrounding oneself with gunmen with bigger guns sounds great until you think about it a bit more.

    Thats when paranoia hits.

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      People seem to be forgetting the existence of robots (such as Spot and Atlas from Boston Dynamics) that can be adapted with guns and programmed to serve the rich in a way that (supposedly) won’t turn against them… (Until someone gets to hack those metallic dogs)

      These robots (particularly Spot) are already being used for security and guarding purposes. It’s a matter of not if, but when, they get transformed into dystopian real-life Cyberdyne machines.

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    If the murder of the United Healthcare CEO is horrible news…

    At the very annual general meeting that would have occurred had this not happened, would there have been a word describing the horribleness of the news that United made billions more than last year off the backs of American policy holders, American doctors/nurses/physicians/pharmacists, American taxpayers? I highly doubt it.

    Every dollar in profit is the standard extraction of value from people, which may be warranted at a fixed rate for the services provided. Every dollar in increased profit is a squeezing of their customers, hopefully for an enhanced service to them in return. In healthcare, it was found that an enhanced return in value to customers was no longer necessary, when making money in crushing people’s lives is more profitable, legal and encouraged by shareholders and management.

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      It is bad that vigilantism is being celebrated (though I’ll admit to being aboard the “laugh about this specific murder” train).

      But I think the reason that this is being celebrated is that this is the only kind of justice this guy could have ever faced because his crime is legal

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        It’s a moment of catharsis, its that drop of blood against a psychopathic group of people using their power and control to decide whether we get to live or die and mostly choose to let us die.

        At this point it feels like we’re in general are mostly out of options. Legislation hasn’t worked the ACA didn’t address the power health insurance companies have over us, voting with our wallet doesn’t work on an inelastic industry where every single person needs health care, the courts are bought out by these wealthy psychos.

        Either we just live with the current and keep dying unnecessarily or we use the last box of civic engagement.

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        If CEOs get to celebrate making money by killing people we get to celebrate vigilantism.

        At least with vigilantism fewer people die.

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        Dont beat yourself up about it. Look at the context the public still has the last time billionaire died it was a submersible.

        The reaction to that and this are very similar except the challenge deep wasn’t involved to making healthcare unaffordable.

        Not to mention Rick Scott also defrauded millions from medicare in Fl

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      And the dead who they killed by denying people what they paid for…there are dead victims here from this shit company and shit leaders.

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      One thing is that a company does work, gets a fair payment from that, and if you do a lot of work, you get a lot of payment

      A whole other subject is when you squeeze every last dejt out of the people you say you work for

      A completely different subject is when your company’s policies are so bad that you cause untold suffering and literally thousands of preventable deaths.

      We shouldn’t need not want a vigilante shooter, these people (CEO’s of these kinds of companies) should all be in jail for life.

      I’m a CTO at a small medical supplier company and I work hard to make sure we’re ethical. I can honestly claim were ethnical. We’re a bunch of people trying to make life easier for others, for doctors and patients. None of us are rich, but we are passionate and we honestly want to grow the company not by squeezing every cent out of our customers, we grow by just making sure we’re the best and fairest. It is very possible to be c level and to be ethical, but it has to be a choice.

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        if you do a lot of work, you get a lot of payment

        Thats just not how the world works I’m afraid. At all.

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        I’m a CTO at a small medical supplier company and I work hard to make sure we’re ethical.

        Good for you, tell me, what is the average wage/compensation for your company? What is the ratio of CEO pay to worker pay?

        Do you know those numbers off the top of your head? Does anyone but the CFO know? If you don’t know those numbers off the top of your head, you aren’t really trying your best to be ethical.

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          Oh fuck your attitude already.

          Sorry but you have a rotten attitude. Nothing is enough, people trying suck anyway, and no true Scotsman!

          Here: I have a relatively high salary, it’s give or take a little over twice the country’s average. My salary is about twice as high as the lowest salary at the company. The lowest salary at the company is slightly below he country’s average. I’m also the first to enter, the last to leave, and I work on the weekends as well to try and give my best to everyone. Not bragging, it is what it is. I also live in a < 500sqft apartment with my wife, and I’m totally happy with it, we don’t need more. I’m not rich, I’m upper middle class at best.

          I don’t know the salaries of the other C levels, but I know how they live and what they drive and where they spend their vacations; Their salaries are comparable to mine. I got my salary because of the shit tonne I give tonhe company, same goes for the other C levels.

          Your attitude of " everyone who has more than me is evil" is shit and is also part of the reason why things are as bad as they are. Goes for all people who think that any company automatically is evil because some companies are. There are LOADS of people who just work hard for what they have and who really try to make sure other have it good too.

          You don’t get to judge me, so take your damned attitude and fuck off until you can behave normal

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        I’m sorry but you’re not ethical. I’m sure you’re doing your best but you’re a small fish in a very unethical ocean. It’s not your fault, you’re just another cog in the machine.

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          Are you seeing what you’re writing there?

          I’m unethical because I’m a cog in a machine?

          So in other words, we’re all evil, you are evil, maybe we should all kill ourselves and get it over with because why even bother trying, rite?

          Fuck your attitude

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            I’m getting REALLY tired of reading “fuck your attitude” multiple times in your comments, chief. You need to correct that language or you need to leave-- or more preferably get tossed out on your arse.

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              How about you adjust your attitude instead? Because it’s horrible.

              I prefer bad language over bad actions. I may talk like a sailor but at least i do the right thing. Maybe you should try that too

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    Considering how many people a year die at the hands of insurance companies delaying and denying life-saving treatments to make a quick buck, the glee over this insurance CEO’s death is a fairly rational response - a reminder to the 0.1% that they’re not quite as immune to consequences as they think they are.

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      Structural violence is s great term that should get more use in cases like this.

      I hope we’ll get some data on how much more money and effort is spend on this compared to cases where the target is just some regular nobody.

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        This case is a great reminder of who the police really work for. If/when the shit hits the fan, you know whose side they’ll be on.

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    Wish people channeled this sentiment at the voting booth when Trump got on national TV and said he’d replace Obamacare with “concepts” of a plan he apparently was clueless of after 8 years of actively trying to destroy Obamacare.

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      I’ve been telling everyone I know for years that Healthcare is Americas biggest problem. The country is designed to pick your body clean before you die. You can work your entire life here and everything can be taken from you if you get sick.

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        It would of been a lie and never implemented. Even if they had the votes they’d find a democrat spoiler to ruin it in the last hour. Like they always do.

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            I mean it still wouldn’t have earned her my vote

            So no politician has any reason to ever listen to what you want. Maybe that’s WHY she didn’t champion M4A. Not enough votes.

            • I meant that that alone wouldn’t have earned it. Genocide is a hard line for me. I guess politicians who support genocide don’t have any reason to listen to what I want if they’re not going to stop supporting genocide, so you’re partially right

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        I’m sure she would have if she had more campaign time. There were only so many news cycles between when she started and the election and the media did it’s usual thing of monopolizing coverage of Trump’s insanity (because outrage brings views).

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          why are there so many delusional Democrats?

          It’s ok to admit both parties suck. Yes to different degrees, but you don’t have to gaslight yourself into thinking Democrats care about you

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          I voted for Harris, and straight Dem downballot. But no, Harris did not support M4A. Harris did in fact tack to the right during her campaign to try to pick up more moderate Republicans, and this killed my (and many others) enthusiasm and her campaign.

          As said in one of the other replies to this comment, it is okay to admit both parties suck. (I am not both sides-ing this, they are not the same, but they both suck for the average American)

          The Democratic party has a problem, and the last 3 presidential elections prove it. The last time a Democrat ran on a message of change (Obama), they won handily. But Obama didn’t deliver, and now if any Democrat promises change…well the masses are disillusioned…they don’t think the Democrats actually want change, and the thing is… they are right. Party insiders don’t want significant change to the systems. Biden barely won on a message of “getting back to normal”…when Americans were dying but the thousands, think about how close that race was. I voted for Biden, and Biden actually did okay, he steadied the ship…but did he change anything? Anything I could see and would effect me in my day-to-day life. No, not really. In fact, in most ways life has gotten worse since the pandemic. That may not be Biden’s fault, but he was the president, fault or not. It was his responsibility. Again, nothing changed. Then Harris ran on a slogan of “Not going back”… There is no promise for a future there. Not going back is just not MAGA. I voted for Harris, I hoped as her campaign got off the ground she would distinguish herself from the failure of imagination of the Biden admin. But she kept tacking rightward, she was showing up on stage with all these “centrist” republicans, she leaned into border policy, pro-business, pro-capital, pro-war stances. The same Democratic Party schlock that keeps killing any enthusiasm for a Democratic president since Obama.

          The worse things is, we all know what the problems are, and for many of them we know the solutions. They aren’t easy, but there is nothing unique about the problems facing America.

          “Unprecedented” Wealth Inequality has a precedence…see the gilded age and the new deal

          Healthcare … Every civilized nation has a form of nationalized healthcare, except the US.

          Political Polarization… the yellow journalism caused polarization in the 1880’s. Truth in journalism laws were passed, and not repealed until Reagan.

          A stagnant ineffective congress. Repeal the filibuster. Beef up ethics investigations.

          A compromised judiciary. Multiple presidents throughout history have decided to just ignore the supreme court, because the court has no means of enforcement, enforcement is invested in the executive branch (checks and balances and all that). Additionally, the SC right to review a law for constitutionality was created whole cloth by the Supreme Court, and does not itself exist in the constitution. Finally, expanding the SC can be done by Presidential Order. I mean the SC can decide that it is unconstitutional…but then what…the president seats the justices anyway. Done.

          Money in politics. The president is the head of the Law Enforcement branch. There are already laws on the books to shut down corruption, foreign interference, etc… American citizens commit multiple felonies a day without even realizing it (thanks to our byzantine legal system), this is doubly true of all these Corporations and Super-PACs funneling money to and from campaigns and foreign nationals. The laws are there, the will to enforce them is not.

          Most/All of this has precedence in the US or other liberal democracy. I am not saying it is easy, but I am saying that it could have been done if the Democrats wanted it.

          And addressing these things has popular support. Everyone knows what is wrong, and everyone can see no one is even trying to fix it.

          But instead we get slogans that amount to, “nothing will essentially change, but the other guy is worse”, and then wonder why 40% of Americans don’t show up to the polls.

          There are a lot of people who have stopped showing up for the Democrats, not because they like Republicans, but because the Democrats stopped showing up for them.

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            Harris did in fact tack to the right during her campaign to try to pick up more moderate Republicans,

            WTF are you talking about? Because I didn’t notice an “tacking” at all.

            nothing will essentially change,

            She literally had an 82 page plan of economic changes. Were you expecting that the media was going to tell you about all the important stuff? The main stream media buries the important stuff so their billionaire owners can get gigantic GOP tax cuts. That means you have to work extra hard to understand reality. e.g. The 82 page plan of economic changes proposed by Harris. Just because you didn’t know about the plan doesn’t mean that there was nothing in it that would have benefited you in a huge way.

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              Sure okay, but I am literally looking at the plan now. I don’t see anything about unions, I don’t see any medicare for all or single payer healthcare, I don’t see anything about increasing minimum wage or indexing the minimum wage to inflation. I do see a lot of “helping more people get insurance”, which is exactly the non-solution I was talking about.

              I literally see a platform that tinkers around the edges, without making any fundamental changes. But you are here to refute my claims…so tell me/us (everyone else in this thread): What policies in the 80 page policy book I am currently looking at would have been a kitchen table game changer for me? I am willing to be wrong. I agree that the MSM has a profit motive to not inform the public about good democratic policy. So, you came here to make a point. Make your point.

              If you didn’t see the outreach that Harris was doing to centrist republicans, you weren’t watching.

              <edit, because I am still reading my way through the 82 pages.> There is literally nothing in this plan (that I have seen so far) that is a direct reply to a single topic in the comment you are referring to. Like, most of the problems aren’t even acknowledged.

              But most importantly, I watched all of Harris’ speeches. Remember, I voted for her. I was excited to vote for the first black women president. I have too many friends who are gay or transgendered to not vote Democrat. But if she had a solution to these issues (as you have said) and the MSM wasn’t telling me. SHE should have told me. I was there. I was listening.

              And finally, while the initial lines of the post were about Harris not supporting M4A, which is empirically true and nothing in the document disputes that. The rest of the post was about the failures of the Democrats as a whole over the last 20 years and nothing in Harris’ policy book could reasonably refute that.

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      they did channel callous neolibralism in the defense of wealthy, white institutions at the voting both. you just think one of the choices would not have been that.

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    There’s a plethora of contradictions. Americans hate for-profit healthcare, inequality, and CEOs, but love to vote Republican and worship Elon Musk. The sad reality is the people did this to themselves and will keep doing it to themselves.

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    What a painfully milquetoast article. The writing on the wall was there for a long time, and thinkpieces like this are nothing more than a shrug and “it do be like that”.