Japan prepares regulation requiring Apple to allow sideloading::As the Digital Markets Act antitrust law passed in the European Union, Apple has until March 2024 to let users…
Having app developers be able to avoid Apples forced 30% fee is great. The fee is pure rent seeking masquerading as curation.
30% might be a bit much, but Apple and Google are offering ongoing services for the price you pay as a developer. From hosting, to payment processing and APIs you can use in your apps, I think what they’re offering has some monetary value that would be acceptable if it wasn’t so damn much. I don’t think it’s toxic rent-seeking in and of itself. What’s pretty toxic is that there’s no way around those fees on Apple phones and tablets.
The #1 thing they provide is exposure.
The vast majority of users simply won’t download and install something they find on a website on their phones.
Thankfully, it seems like places like the EU and now Japan are considering ALL use cases, not just the majority of them.
Unless it’s fortnite and has a giant marketing engine behind it
Even I don’t install random apps if they aren’t on the playstore or fdroid
Agreed, If it wasn’t a forced arrangement I wouldn’t necessarily nave a problem with the price
legislation is expected to be sent to parliament next year and focuses on four areas: app stores and payments, search, browsers, and operating systems.
We also get Linux on iPhones??
And the talk is just about sideloading… :-)
I do wonder what they mean with “operating systems”. If they legislate that iPhones should allow operating systems besides iOS to be installed, that would be huge. Android, Linux, or BSD on an iPhone… imagine!
I personally can’t wait for open sourcing of mobile drivers / driver apis. That will finally allow stuff like turning off phone components for Linux mobile system and not have gyro for some specific phones.
Most likely it means what the OS allows and won’t allow. In this case, it will focus on iOS and allowing you to install software without using the app store (3rd party stores)
Big if true. Apple owners might actually be owners of their devices.
They don’t care.
Go see all the crazy kids on r/jailbreak asking the same questions over and over
By and large, probably… But I don’t think it’s true for everyone.
As an iPad owner myself, I would love to ditch the OS! And I suppose alternative OSes would be pretty popular with the people jailbreaking their phones.
I don’t want to impose alternative OSes on others. I would just like the option for me!
Yeah it’s literally a status symbol amongst kids.
My kid is desperate for one but can’t give me a single compelling reason apart from they’re seen as cool.
I like Apple products because they just work. I have tried Windows, Linux, & Android, but I ultimately decided on just using the Apple Ecosystem (except for my gaming computer) because the products just work well. Sure they cost more and are locked down but I am willing to sacrifice those things for things for the boost in productivity.
Apple isn’t for everybody but their products have upsides.
They just work (usually) if you want to use their products the way they want you to use them.
If you have your own idea how to do something on your own that’s any different, you will slowly go insane.
They just work (usually) if you want to use their products the way they want you to use them.
Well… Yeah? That’s the case for most products.
Why downvotes? They are both right, with an exception of MacBooks. Otherwise, you are limited by use cases predicted by the manufacturer, even if it “just works”.
I use both iPhone and MacBook, with the latter mostly as a Unix that, again, “just works”, but I can even go as far as compile whole GNU userspace natively with Gentoo Prefix (one of many options).
Cuz it makes no sense. You wouldn’t complain that the iPhone doesn’t work as a skateboard because they don’t want you using it as a skateboard. It doesn’t work as a skateboard because it’s not a skateboard. All companies design products to be used the way the company wants you to use them. If op is talking about it being super locked down, that’s also incorrect. I can disable plenty of the security features on Mac and it continues to work just fine, compared to windows where if you disable UAC you literally cannot use your computer the same way and it will bug you constantly. It’s just a trope that isn’t really true at all.
lol right
Good luck getting any of the hardware to work properly without Apple’s help.
sideloading would be nice; i have no idea how people can get proper work done on an ipad as of now (especially with apple at one point acting like it was only a matter of time for them to replace laptops). everything is so overly glossy and surface level and designed for children or the elderly; you can’t actually DO anything!
Even with side loading, you will still be pretty limited as the iPad is decently locked down. First of all it needs a decent window manager. That alone would go a long way.
But honestly, these things should be running full blown macOS when they are docked to a mouse and keyboard.
They had an 11” air at one point, so screen size can’t be the issue.
This could be the real “pro” iPhone. Running m3, acting as a phone by itself and throwing a full macOS with Office and Adobe Cloud apps when docked.
Yeah! Even if not an m3, the chip in the 15 pro is good enough for most people. If you really need more power then, get an m3.
I’d love if my phone was my computer in that way.
Yuh-huh! Just get a terminal emulator from the App Store. I will be just a few dollars a month. Then you can ssh into a Linux server you have somewhere.
See it’s an entire computer!
So a $1,200 thin client?
No you do not get it.
At Apple we make magical devices that are unlike anything done before. We have truly revolutionized computing with over priced hardware.
If you don’t have a Mac then you are not cool and not good at your job.
I’m just going to sit in the corner with my 4070 and be poor then. Sorry to not be cool! Also, my bubbles are green.
4070 and be poor
I mean yeah, you fell for nVidia’s scam.
That’s the point. They want people to use devices where information is given to them, but they can’t interact with it or give something back.
They literally want us scrolling tiktok all day before it’s time to get ready for work.
I don’t take a laptop with me when I travel, because the iPad is more than enough for my work needs for a few days. Working with large spreadsheets is the only thing I absolutely need a computer for.
I have friends who are programmers and regularly work on just an iPad. As I understand it, they only need a computer for some more horsepower-hungry parts of their workflow.
The real problem with iPads is iPadOS. It’s intentionally gimped so you need a computer for some tasks. The iPad Pro has more than enough processing power and memory for full workloads (as well it should, given the price point), the OS is the restricting factor.
What real work can even be done on any tablet that is not running desktop OS? I guess you could write stuff or edit spreadsheets, but that’s it.
I tried to install an old version of San Andreas recently on my phone cause the last update broke controller support (which I actually bought with money).
Apparently we don’t own our Android OBB directories anymore because of “safety”.
So far the “we Android users already have this”…
Yep, it’s unfortunate that manufacturers are taking more and more control away from users. That’s why open-source software like Linux is so important, you can do anything you want to with it.
Yeah Android is Linux. But Manufactures are limiting it so hard that it is sometimes nearly impossible to get a custom ROM on the phone.
Based Japan once again. I would love to see other countries requiring this too, but I’m not going to hold my breath unfortunately.
I mean, the EU has already done this and now Japan is doing the same. So i guess it’s very well possible that other countries besides Japan will also follow suit.
Cool. This would be great. Hopefully a push to allow that in all other countries.
Now that’s what I’m talking about.
It’s happening guys, apple is start to a open source platform
I was against sideloading, because I’m in it for the walled garden and if governments were to use their own stalls to publish their apps, then, actually it doesn’t matter anymore! Our gov apps still invasive anyway, imo.
For the clueless, the particular app scans your face with various coloured screens being blasted through the phone screen, doesn’t matter if you have face ID enabled or not, its their own scan.
Power to sideloading.
You being paid by apple to fear monger about sideloading?
If you fear this, just leave the sideloading to others.
Wherever I ever see a comment complaining about sideloading, I just assume they’re an Apple financed marketing shill.
Even if they’re just a brainwashed moron, the argument is so stupid they deserve nothing but ridicule.
My biggest issue is cancelling recurring services. The Apple model requires that all your subscriptions appear on a pane of glass that you can notice if you signed up for a free trial and it’s been billing you $2.99/month because you wanted to read your kid Dr. Suess books on a flight when you were exhausted. Good luck figuring that out if you only have “$2.99 STRIPE BABELBOX INC” on your credit card bill.
Um, I said I believed before. I don’t believe it works anymore (walled garden). And that the government apps already doing this in the walled garden. Even said power to sideloading….
And I get downvoted to oblivion?
Probably also for the Q-Anon level lunacy with the government apps n stuff.
About 90% of my apps from fdroid. A Foss store that will do they’re best to ensure no anti or invasive features break through to my phone. I am certain that apple will have a similar store.
Yeah, I’ll even go as far as to say that because F-Droid apps are usually not for profit you get actually good apps without ads or trying to sell you anything.
They’re just an app that some dude found they needed and developed, and then made available for everyone else.
This is the most jarring difference I find when I go to the App Store, so a FOSS repository for iOS would be so huge.
And I’m sure of that. Suffice to say it doesn’t matter because Apple’s walled garden allowed the Gov’s invasive app regardless.
Just to be clear: it doesn’t matter because the walled garden sucked and didn’t work and I don’t mind a third party store anymore.
You guys downvoting me do realize that I’m fine with sideloading right?
