At this point, I’m not even going to bother trying to go on there anymore.
And I just discovered this some weeks ago. The “woah there, pardner!” is so cringeworthy.
The whole website is cringe. It has some of the best little communities are on there, but they are the exceptions. Most of it is power-tripping mods and disingenuous arguments from far-right lunatics on a foundation of “narwhal bacon lol.”
To me it sounds like a racist, homophobic Southern US citizen that likes to tote their guns and “defend” their property through the Castle doctrine because freedom (fuck yeah!).
Actually the perfect encapsulation of the brainrot on reddit.
Nobody in the south says shit like this unironically lmao.
You’ve never been to the South
You mean about the “Woah there , pardner?” or the overwhelming about of racism, bigotry, and homophobia?
I mean I’ve been to the South and I can confirm one of these two things.
Try again. Take your bullshit hot takes the fuck out of here. It’s tired and old. Nobody is buying it anymore.
Right, I forgot that Fox News declared that racism in America is no longer a thing.
Thanks for making me aware that the situation with the racism like the Ahmaud Arbery case is in the distant, distant past and southern racism is not a thing anymore.
Appreciate you putting me into the white view of the situation.
stop watching so much CNN geez
These assholes forget that people need to use VPNs in many situations. All the bitch ass corporate folks that never have to use their computers in a coffee shop, etc. Fuck spez.
It goes much deeper than just coffee shops and other public wifi. There are people in oppressive countries that have to use VPNs to get around their country-wide bans of certain sites, such as anything that provides access to information. Reddit used to be a sanction for tons of information sharing. But now, with Reddit going public, they have to appeal to their shareholders, who probably have business or other deals in those oppressive countries. So, even if Reddit is simply trying to force users to be trackable, it still behooves the shareholders to make information and knowledge more difficult to access to certain people.
You can still use the site via VPN if you’re logged in. Which is really the entire point. They don’t actually care if you’re using a VPN; It’s just another method to force people to make an account, so the “active accounts” number looks good to shareholders.
Then Reddit’s notice should say that instead of scolding sbout VPNs. This problem is not simply with Reddit and a login, it is pervasive. Hell, even lemmy.world blocks vpn connections from making new comments, often.
Lemmy.world handles that particularly poorly, probably because they’re a nonprofit with a shoestring budget.
The most obvious improvement would be to accept comments when the account meets a certain age and activity threshold.
Reminds me to donate.
Then Reddit’s notice should say that instead of scolding sbout VPNs.
It-… Uhh… It does say that. It’s literally the second sentence in the body of the notice, and even has a link to create an account. Did you even read past the title?
Yes, it briefly mentions it but the entirety of that is about shaming VPN use. Is it not?
It doesn’t actually mention VPNs at all. It simply says you were blocked due to a network policy, and offers potential solutions ranging from “try logging in” to “if you’re doing fucky things with your user agent, maybe try not doing fucky things with your user agent.”
Wtf do you think “network policy” is about when it comes up when using fucking VPNs? It is entirely about VPN use.
Your point was that it’s scolding users for using a VPN. It’s explicitly not doing that. Yes, they’re actively working against VPN usage, but your original statement was still incorrect.
They likely didn’t. They just don’t care.
Reddit taught me to never trust a silicon valley, centralized, proprietary service on the internet with my data and/or content
Well you shouldn’t trust a public, decentralized, open source personally hosted service either.
I don’t really know who’s hosting the Lemmy or other fediverse services I use and what access they have to the data that we post on there.
Basically, you shouldn’t trust any online service with your data and your posts.
You can trust that the service will persist. The fediverse is practically speaking unkillable since no one group holds all the strings. The trade off is that any data you post is shared freely with all. At least it’s clear from the start and no one is profiting off of it. Unlike Reddit, you know exactly what’s going on as soon as you sign up.
Off the grid it is, then
Or just use e2e encrypted services. They can be trustless and still useful.
Depends on how they’re implemented. Signal and WhatsApp are e2e encrypted, but they track your phone number, your contacts and IP address. Maybe even metadata
I went the other route. I am very noisy online. I post and comment all over the place but I treat all of that as what it is, content I have given away freely and publicly. Now, when I need to do something privately, you are going to need serious mojo to be able to dig it out. Plus, who would assume that I do certain things privately when almost everything I do is out in the open.
SELECT 'ipaddress', 'username' FROM tables WHERE (username.normalize() == "jomiran" OR post.links CONTAIN "jomiran") FILTER content IN _blacklist_keywords;Or some such. Data is easy to mine if you have a target. It’s finding unknown targets that is hard.
Exactly. Do a search for my username and get flooded with shitposts. IP? MAC? Same, plus some porn watching and way too much YouTube. Everything I want to keep private is done with as many degrees of separation as possible.
IP? MAC? Same
Unique fingerprint? Most likely the same with your “private” stuff.
I use disposable hardware (one time use) and unique, pre-configured remote access points from third party locations for my work. In other words, many little headless Raspberry Pis everywhere.
You…you realize you just posted right?
Just because you shouldn’t trust them doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to interact with them. It just means you need to be careful.
…and this is how “rational” people act more irrational than irrational people. Arguments that are reductionist tautological absurdities.
Open source culture is far more transparent and trustworthy than the 100 headed monster Hydra that is Western Big Tech companies, fully armed with neuro scientists and western capitalist media machinery. There are a few bad apples in FOSS culture, but they can be easy to spot for a few people, and that works as long as people actually listen to those few people.
Take a chill pill.
All I’m saying is whatever the service, be careful what you post online. We assume the people hosting fediverse services have a code of ethics or that they have our best interests or privacy at heart. Or even that they have the time and know how to protect our data.
But we should still consider the opposite and take the necessary precautions.
I am good, it just sounded very absurd. There is no “both sides” in credibility of open source vs closed source ecosystems.
I think we can judge Lemmy instances dependingly, for example I trust the dev instance and Lemmygrad instance quite a lot and stick to them. I distrust instances like Lemmyworld, lemmy.one and some others. All instances that connect to the ones I use will be able to scrape my comment data, which is public and which is fine (well not but AHs gonna AH) because I teach and advise on OPSEC, stylometry and other stuff.
A much better way to spread the message is telling people how they can be mindful of firstly judging how “public” a space is, and then how and what you type/record and share.
Of course you shouldn’t but there is a categorical difference between the risk of a corporation exploiting you because of a power imbalance (you want to use Reddit, there aren’t alternatives in this hypothetical scenario) and the rando running your fediverse instance abandoning the project or being weird about your data.
The second category can definitely be problematic, but it just isn’t the same level of awfulness and systematic exploitation that corporations wield every day to extract a profit.
It sounds like a weird statement because we have been trained to think the average “other” we will encounter in society as dangerous, but if you actually think about the statistics then yes absolutely it makes way more sense to trust a random person or handful of people to run your instance than a corporation. Publicly traded corporations are legally required to be assholes in the pursuit of profit, on the other hand most of the time randos usually aren’t assholes, though to be safe you should always be cautious as you say.
What’s to stop a data broker from running an instance?
Sure it could happen, but I don’t understand what relevance that has when you compare it to the fact that you KNOW without a shadow of a doubt corporations are going to sell your data to the maximal amount they can, even if it is illegal.
Besides this isn’t about our data being sold or not being sold really (our data will be mined and sold by somebody so long as it is publicly available on social networks), it is about who has the power and who doesn’t. Does a single corporation run by a billionaire fascist-baby have the power or an imperfect constellation of developers, instance maintainers and moderators?
Internet 101 if you want control, self host.
If it was easy, I would have done it by now
Hmmm, from a tech perspective there’s lots of VPS hosts that provide dashboards to deploy a CMS in one click (Ghost, WordPress, etc.), in that way it’s never been easier to get started. The hard part though is gaining visibility and publishing enough content to give people a reason to visit.
In my opinion, one of the main benefits of selfhosting ( aside from controlling your data,) is that you don’t have to pay for the VPS/CMS service, of course you pay for the infrastructure… As someone who HATES monthly subscriptions it’s one of the main reasons I don’t have an online presence yet
I tried to run Ubuntu server and slapped something on top of it ( CasaOS ), which i didn’t like, then I tried Ghost ( and failed miserably )…
It’s not easy and YouTubers are full of shit ( they skip so many details )
To each their own, that can be a benefit but youll still need to buy hardware, maintain the server software and maybe rent rack space (if you need bandwidth).
My tiny slice of the web hosts a private image gallery for my family to upload and share photos. Going into it I wasn’t really interested in administering yet another server. Instead I threw $6 at a VPS and had a publicly accessible, user friendly site with backups up and running in about 15 minutes… and I haven’t had to think about it again since. And Google/Meta isn’t training their AI on my niece’s birthday pictures. That monthly sub is worth it for reclaiming my time.
That monthly sub is worth it for reclaiming my time
Yeah definitely, it’s a small price for the benefit, but also to add to how I feel about subscriptions, I think their major flaw is they don’t consider poor parts of the world like Africa were I live, while 6 $ is reasonable or even cheap for some people, here it’s a lot of money ( x200 which means 1$ = 200 ), so it’s not accessible…
Only few, very few websites change their pricing based on my IP address, or send me to a different domain, but for the most part it’s not affordable
You might ask, does you ISPs have VPS plans ? Yes they do,
Tap for spoiler
waaaay more expensive than European VPSs combined … LoL…
There’s also politics and agenda involved but won’t get into it, it’s just bad news, and we have enough of that already
The currency situation makes sense and I apologize-- I realize now I had a very western-centric perspective while writing my thoughts. I can absolutely understand hosting on your own hardware, as the opportunity cost in that situation is hugely different. I think the next best option is a good server OS and the ghost docker container but you are right it is not as straight forward or easy. Best of luck friend, trust documentation not youtubers :)
Could have learned that a long time ago. Everybody learns it somehow from some greedy company. Luckily you’ve learned it now.
whoa there pardner
People who write “funny” error messages should be tied to a tree and have old circut boards thrown at their feet
everything about that error page is Toxic AF
Oopsie woopsie!
Error pages are a point where something bad happened, so the user is already in a bad mood. A shitty joke just makes the situation worse.
The only time I can remember enjoying novelty error messages is for 404 not found pages. It’s usually stuff like the Google T-Rex thing, or I’ve seen an astronaut floating in space, stuff like that.
Yes fucking please
Why do only the first half of the paragraphs start with a capital too?
If there’s one thing I learned working in IT it’s that devs actively half-ass their error messages, routinely misspell critical words you’re gonna grep for in logs, and never even consider having someone in Product read over customer-facing error messages like this. All they see is a Jira ticket that says “include the following verbiage in the VPN rejection message” that was typed up by a mostly plastered PM one afternoon after they downed 3 margaritas at “lunch” at the taqueria next to their office. And then they just copy and paste that shit into whatever bullshit HTML template took the least effort to find.
Slow down there, Satan
Oh, they did this with my actual ip lol don’t know what I did
Fck reddit. We have lemmy. Let reddit rot.
Every day spez is DIGGing himself into a deeper hole…
He got his IPO money. He gives zero fucks what happens now.
Good. The more they abuse their user base the more people will look for alternatives. Hello Lemmy! :)
The Redlib frontend still works. In my opinion it also provides a much nicer UI than the official Reddit website or even old.reddit.com. This is the list of public instances: https://github.com/redlib-org/redlib-instances/blob/main/instances.md
USE EU VPNs let them block the EU.
That’s bad, Reddit is blocked in my country. VPN is my key to the open world
What country are you in?
Indonesia
You can still use reddit with a vpn if you login. The error message even tells you that.
Workaround if you are using uBlock Origin:
reddit.com##+js(set-cookie-reload, reddit_session, 0) old.reddit.com##+js(set-cookie-reload, reddit_session, 0)Add this to your filters.
Gasp
Tempting but the block page is helping remind me to stay mad at Reddit
You need a reminder?
Being mad at something costs energy, and I’d rather move on instead continuously giving Reddit that kind of respect and having it live rent-free in my head. Feels good.
That’s fair. I can’t say I spend much of my actual time being mad at Reddit. Just when it’s brought up in many contexts. I invested over a decade of my life on Reddit and watched it slowly turn to shit while I accepted the sunk cost until the blackout last year when I finally figured out that it just wasn’t worth it. I’m mad at myself too, but I’m mad at them for taking something that used to be great and enshittifying it for a chance at a big IPO, immediately after which spez sells half a million shares.
The whole thing was turned into a scheme to make spez and other executives rich (or richer anyway) at the IPO at the expense of Reddit. That’s what makes me mad.
The hurensohn getting his own damn way with just about everything. 🤬🤬🤬
Use Redlib front end should be able to open reddit. Some instances don’t work, but you there are many that work. I use this extension: https://github.com/libredirect/browser_extension
Firefox also has a libreddit extension that will automatically direct you there if you type in any reddit address.
Started? Been having that issue for months now. It only works on VPN if you’re logged on.
Certain VPN servers can go through it they haven’t implemented a block for it yet. AirVPN launched some new servers that worked for a bit, but Reddit blocked them a few weeks later.
They started also blocking OLD.reddit.com this week. I made a comment a couple months ago alluding to old.reddit.com still working even though they were blocking tor and known VPNs on www.reddit.com. I’m sure about 10,000 other people figured it out at the same time as me, since it was such a simple bypass, and I’m surprised it took this long to fix.
There are still at least 2 other unpatched ways.
old.reddit.com is the only Reddit website I use. I have every reddit link automatically redirect to that website as well. I haven’t been able to access old.reddit.com for months on most servers of 3 different VPNs I’ve used.
Can someone tell me how they would know if someone uses a VPN to access their site? I believe OpenVPN has a way to make traffic look like normal HTTPS traffic
It’s not about anti-censorship (making your VPN traffic look like regular traffic) it’s about the IP address at the end of the VPN connection. They have a list of known VPN provider IP ranges and block those. If you run a proxy server or VPN on a your own private VPS for example, then it won’t be detected.
Ah, that’s great to know. Thanks
I think its a move to keep banned people out, as old reddit was the loophole people used to make new accounts. can’t create an account via VPN on old reddit if you can’t access without being logged in
Errrr, I use bing and just click the cache button instead. I have to use a VPN for work and it’s annoying to turn it off just to see one thing on reddit.
