Here is a thread of whiney redditors who just discovered the fediverse. Enjoy.
“Hurpa durpa durp, unserious joke about the Chinese wanting to kill Americans, but they create a vaccine for one of the deadliest diseases in the US hurpa durpa duhr”… now take it completely and utterly seriously. GO!
EDIT: dunno why, but because Beehaw, I can’t actually see the comment below. So I’ll answer here…
Beehaw defederated from a lot of the bigger instances because someone hurt their feelings or whatever. So now you miss out on the majority of lemmy content including comments. I would suggest creating an account with a different instance so that you can experience the entirety of the community.
Beehaw has defederated from instances they felt were not meeting a minimum standard of moderation and healthy, good faith discussion. Beehaw’s whole shtick is to maintain a platform where its users can be(e) kind and expect others to behave similarly.
It is genuinely baffling to me how people can see beehaw curating their instance this way and go “feewings” and “beehaw bad”.
If people want to be part of a limited community that’s fine and well. The issue I have is that a lot of people joining lemmy don’t know what beehaw is about and join it just because it’s a name they’ve maybe heard of. Then they’re completely unimpressed by lemmy, not knowing they’re only part of a fraction of the federation. Next thing they’re back on reddit or whereever.
Also, as someone with access to the majority of lemmy instances, I’ve only ran into maybe a handful of assholes on here. I’m really not sure what beehaw is trying to shelter it’s users from. It’s easy enough to block someone on the rare occasion.
Its incredibly difficult to join beehaw without knowing what its about. When you apply to join they explain what it is and ensure that you’re actually, like, on board with the mission. I can understand the sentiment of users finding themselves underwhelmed and leaving if they don’t understand why.
As someone with accounts on other instances, I’ve definitely encountered far more bigotry and bad faith arguments off-beehaw than on-beehaw. For some people, which would appear to include you, encountering the asshole and blocking and moving on is sufficient, and that’s fine and awesome for them. But for others who may be part of marginalised communities or particularly vulnerable, the bubble of safety and curation that beehaw offers is so tremendously valuable.
Ok, sounds like they’ve made it a lot more clear since the reddit exodos which is the last time I’ve had any interaction with beehaw. That’s good then.
Type I diabetes has absolutely nothing to do with weight, it’s a disorder of the pancreas that’s mostly genetic. The rates of all forms of diabetes taken together in China and the US are almost the same. I’m sorry if this science flew over your head yo
Its worse the that. Many think now it is reversed. As T2 is a resistance to insulin. And without insulin you cannot gain energy from your diet. It is now commonly accepted that those prown to t2 diabetes are often forced to eat due to the body gaining less energy from food.
So being genetically prown to to can lead to weight gain prior to diagnosis. Rather then weight gain leading to to t2d.
There are way more Chineese than Americans.
It’s sad to see USA so shackled by pure capitalism that it starts to lose its scientific edge left and right while drooling libs jerk off to the big pharma freedom of unrestrained gains. Still believing they have a chance for a piece from the cake if only they squeeze their cheeks a little harder.
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I am super confused by your take here. Liberals who, and let’s be clear, regularly push for better if not universal health care (and are the only major party to do so) jerk off big Pharma to you? How exactly do you get to that conclusion?
Liberal = laissez faire
Liberals don’t do that, progressives do. Liberals say that universal health care is too complicated and nuanced so we better just stick with the system we have because that’s generating profits so it must be working.
Liberals means different things around the world. Here it means free markets circlejerkers, Adam smith cultists, invisible hand of the market preachers while at the same time anti lgbt for some reason. Pro freedom but anti freedom. Full of paradoxes. Neonazi too and even conservative despite based around free market peddling.
After all we live in a post truth word where even people who agree with each other cannot communicate anymore due to shifting meaning of the words thanks to the politicians and media.
How can we even converse if the words itself are stolen, changed and used for war? Do we need to use mathematics instead of language if the latter is disfigured beyond recognition? Changed into a tool of some demagogue?
Adam Smith had a completely different definition of “free markets” than Neoliberals did.
You just said that liberals are hardcore capitalists despite the fact that liberals are the ones pushing for a hybrid socialist democracy where key industries are socialized so that rampant corruption, which is an effect of the invisible hand, can be avoided. You go on to say that liberal means conservative.
Phrases like ‘we are living in a post truth world’ are a self fulfilling prophecy for those who use that phrase… for the rest of us you just sound like a far-right provocateur.
It appears you are either very confused or you are a dishonest interlocutor and are completely full of shit.
Lmao sounds like you got some stick up your ass. Go get some qualified help with pulling it out
Careful, your ad hominem is showing
Damn I am trying to stay classy today despite all odds. I may need to kill someone (in a game) before the day comes to an end to release that steam from hormone inbalances
Fuck it I am going out to the city
Maybe you should try putting a stick in your ass
“Liberal” isn’t only a word used for modern US/Canadian progressives. “Liberal” is used to mean someone who believes in “free-market” capitalism, free trade, private ownership of the means of production and anti-nationalizationism, anti-protectionism/anti-regulationism, and individualism/anti-collectivism. It’s pretty much synonymous with right-wing “libertarian” ideologies, including neoliberalism, classical liberalism, and "anarcho"capitalism. This is what the word has always referred to normally, and is by far the most common usage in most of the world, and it’s still used this way in the US – mainly in economic, philisophical, or “fundamental rights” contexts though.
Liberalism is pretty much the antithesis of socialism, in a purely left-versus-right sense at least. The American ideology is often considered “social liberalism” or even “modern American liberalism”, which still holds beliefs of individualism and capitalism, but differs from liberalism in that it pushes for a regulated mixed economy, as well as the government contributing to fulfilling social needs like healthcare, education, and infrastructure. It also is defined by focusing on social justice/civil rights, as opposed to traditional liberalism (which is opposed to social justice and civil rights, believing people in a “free market” will decide to do the right thing). It ranges from being a centrist ideology to being a left-leaning right-wing ideology, so when the only opposition is basically dormant fascism, it is the “left” ideology. In a full political view though, it isn’t leftism.
The American misappropriation of the term came from a time when the word “progressive” was starting to be seen as “radical” (and therefore negative). Progressives started using “liberal” instead, and it became a way to say “I only want some government intervention in the economy and social issues, but not a radical amount”. When New Deal politicians like FDR popularized it, it kind of became cemented in American political discourse as meaning that.
Modern American liberalism is democratic socialism and that’s what it has meant since FDR…
"In the United States, liberalism is associated with the welfare-state policies of the New Deal programme of the Democratic administration of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt, whereas in Europe it is more commonly associated with a commitment to limited governmentand laissez-faire economic policies."Consequently, the ideas of individualism and laissez-faire economics previously associated with classical liberalism are key components of modern American conservatism and movement conservatism, and became the basis for the emerging school of modern American libertarian thought.
This doesn’t mean that liberalism = conservatism.
Surely you must notice that “Modern American Liberalism” and “Liberalism” are two separate terms? “Liberal” can mean MANY things other than American liberalism. It even specifies in the article you’re quoting. You cannot just assume that any and every usage of the term “liberal” is in reference to social liberalism, even in America it’s still used in the common/typical/“original” sense frequently (just not by uninformed voters).
And AFAIK nobody said anything about liberalism (and American liberalism) and conservativism being equivalent either. “Conservative” is a significantly more broad term than “liberal” and it’s impossible to definitively equate or oppose them, but generally conservativism is opposite to progressivism – seeing how liberalism is usually socially progressive, it isn’t generally a perfect match. But there does exist “conservative liberalism”, which is socially conservative and economically liberal – in theory what American conservatives are supposed to be, but in reality they’re a bit more… fascist.
Relatively though, American liberals are significantly more conservative than, say, socialists and most leftist ideologies. They still hold many very (especially fiscally) conservative beliefs. There are plenty of American liberals that are in the pockets of big pharma.
Also calling modern American liberalism “socialism”, even “democratic socialism”, is laughable. Socialism requires abolishing capitalism and having the means of production belong to the workers/public. Democratic socialism is an ideology that believes that socialism can be achieved through peaceful democratic reform rather than violent revolution. Modern American liberalism specifically advocates for a mixed economy with mostly private, but some nationalized, industries, which is very much NOT socialist. It is quite literally, regulated capitalism. It also specifies that in the same article you quoted. You can’t just take any welfare state (or attempt at one) and call it socialism.
For the most part, “lib” is synonymous with “so-called market capitalist and liberty advocate”, i.e. almost all Americans in politics. A non-American using it to describe American politicians bought out by big pharma makes perfect sense, as most of them also claim to like the free market and (negative) freedom and stuff.
.world user try not to be confused about the word ‘liberal’ challenge (impossible)
This is a really insightful argument you have proposed. am going to have to give it a lot of thought because it’s so sophisticated and well thought out/communicated. You should be proud of yourself.
They might mean neo libs.
It’s fucking annoying when capitalists keep coming up with capitalist positions and naming them so that they sound like they are something else. Like neo liberalism or libertarianism, which are pretty close to the same thing (all about a deregulated, private, free market), only libertarians like to emphasize how they are ok with sex and drugs.
Liberals want governments and collective public elements to protect the rights and freedoms of individuals (from other individuals, organizations, and governments).
Neo liberals want governments and collective public elements to stay out of their affairs and let them manage their own interests.
Liberals want governments and collective public elements to protect the rights and freedoms of individuals (from other individuals, organizations, and governments).
If the overarching “freedoms of individuals” is the freedom to exploit the labor of individuals then yes, that’s the core of liberalism.
If by “collective public elements” you meant collectivizing the means of production, then no, that’s socialism/anarchism/other.
That’s the core of neo liberalism. Liberalism has a “my rights end where yours begin” component but neo liberalism drops that and expects the free market to solve such conflicts.
And by “collective public elements”, I meant public organizations like the postal service, police departments, etc. The government itself is supposed to be one of those. Liberalism is neutral on what is and isn’t collectivized. Neo liberalism likes privatization but appreciates that some functions are better handled by the public, like law enforcement and road maintenance. Libertarianism believes it should all be private.
In the last comment I said neo liberalism and libertarianism are pretty much the same, but it’s more accurate to say libertarianism is an extreme version of neo liberalism.
What are the odds we’ll get this in America in the next 20 years? Or that insurance will cover it? I mean we live in for-profit medical hell. They actually have weight loss drugs that like 7/10ths of Americans need, but a month’s worth cost over $1,000 out of pocket. Insulin is already stupidly overpriced and there’s no financial incentive to cure it, so why would they? The insurance and pharma companies aren’t in the business of helping people. If they were there be non-proffits (for a start). Instead they get as much federal subsidy money as possible and then still charge $1,000 a month that insurance might cover if you’re lucky or rich enough to even have any that’s worth a damn.
So yeah, cool story, but here in America this won’t make any difference. Maybe in 50 years it’ll be affordable, we’ll see.
idk sounds a bit sus
What sounds sus about it?
- the scientists not mentioned
- it not being talked about how it works at all
- it being limited to one person only
- it comming out of china
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-024-00662-3
I think sinophobia may have gotten the best of you. The study is published in Nature, definitely not a Chinese journal (if this is important to you). Which means the scientists, and institutions are readily accessible, and you can read the paper describing how it works.
Not OP but thanks for sharing a good link.
Technically it is not a cure for type 2. But a repair to further damage caused by a life of type 2.
The type 2 diabetic is still insulin resistant after this treatment. It is just some of the harm that resistance dose to their islet cells. Makeing them partly mimic type 1 diabetes with reduced insulin production. Can be rebuilt with stem cells.
The patient will still need to eat and manage carbs as a well treated type 2 must. To avoid having issues.
CHYNAHH!
And it will be provided for free to anyone who needs it, right? Right?
In Cuba, yes. Capitalist country? Maybe no
Most capitalist countries still have universal heath care…
Are you including the periphery in that statement?
The what?
The periphery. Basic term if you’ve read anything serious on capitalism and how it functions in the world.
Right. So what does it mean?
Countries within the capitalist system which are underdeveloped through violence and coercion in order to be able to extract a higher surplus value extraction to constant capital ratio for capitalists is the gist of it.
Please let me know if there are any terms or concepts I should break down further. (Earnest)
You have to agree to pay a 2000$/year subscription for Life™ after taking this medicine.
So, taxes?
Certainly not in the US of A… but the rest of the world may have a chance if this actually pans out
Only outside USA.
Hey, don’t forget Yemen, South Africa, Nigeria, Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, and Sudan!
A fine group to belong to, we can all agree.
Banned for national security
Free + $46,000 in Ch-China tariffs.
In China, possibly. In the US, not before there is a revolution. In France, not after years in Parliament and seeing 3 to 5 physicians
Destroy corporate healthcare by curing diabetes.
Type 2, since the article doesn’t say.
Important to know. Reading on how it works on the article, I wonder if it could be used for type 1, likely in combination with some kind of drug therapy to prevent the body from just killing the new islet cells.
It’s actually for both types according to the articles in Nature
The articles suggest that it may be beneficial for Type 1, but that’s unconfirmed. The nature of early-stage clinical trials is that people don’t really know how things will work. That’s the point of the trials.
Yeah but the person “cured” had type 2.
There might be applications for type 1, but that’s speculation.
Isn’t type 2 the one that effects massively more people?
Iirc type 2 is acquired diabetes, type 1 is the one you get from birth, so yes.
A lot of people actually don’t get diabetes type 1 when they are born but later in life
‘Further studies are needed for validation.’ Understatement of the year
I’m hopeful but wary. Medical science keeps being the one thing left in this world that consistently makes me happy to be alive in modern times. This would be a great breakthrough.
Weird how the MBFC comments are being deleted
Why is everyone online so incredulous of this breakthrough? Is it just Sinophobia or are there reasons to doubt Chinese medical findings?
Their Covid vaxx was trash. My aunt’s friend was a UAE resident, and got sinovac Covid shot. He later caught and died from covid, so that’s my anecdotal reason not to trust it, but if it is true, this would be a great thing.
you’re an idiot if you’re basing assumption that on your dead aunt.
You’re an idiot if you can’t read a whole 2 sentences and grasp any sort of reading comprehension.
There’s reason to doubt all sensationalist medical headlines
But this is 1 patient, no long term effects studied (just doesn’t need insulin injections), and hasn’t been validated
Nothing to do with China
New trade restrictions coming soon on Chinese pharmaceuticals.
True. How could it be a free market if corporations are not allowed to form a cartel and agree on a price for a product that is literally vital for many people?
Mexico developed the cure many centuries ago. First you tie the person to a large log. Then smaller logs are placed around the person. Oh man I forgot what you’re supposed to do with the tinder and matches. But some research could help. It cures all sorts of stuff. Not good for burns or preexisting death from what I gathered.
Curing diabetes is not in the shareholders’ best interests.
I mean it is… They could literally have a cure that they can sell to millions of people around the world, as well as millions more who will contract diabetes in the future.
I don’t understand this conspiracy and companies don’t want cures. I can understand scepticism around pharmaceutical companies for all the awful shit they’ve done, but it doesn’t mean that scientists and researchers will never be able to produce cures.
Yeah and there are other parts of the world where researchers search for stuff like this too. If it works it will being fame and money to the inventors and then the drug exists and can ve sold.
I don’t exactly subscribe to the conspiracy but I can understand it as it’s related to “planned obsolescence.” Companies don’t want to sell you a quality product that will last “forever” they want to sell you something that’s just good enough to work for a bit, but will absolutely break or be replaced very soon so you become a repeat customer as opposed to a one time customer.
The same logic applies here with the medication, why would they sell something once even if there were new future customers, if they could instead have everyone on a “subscription” of sorts?
The conspiracy exists because we see it play out in every other facet of our society/economy. Everything is becoming a subscription, you don’t own anything, every product a corporation makes is almost complete garbage, etc… I’m not sure I believe it 100% but I wouldn’t in the slightest bit be surprised to find out that actually was the case.
There is no grand secret conspiracy. Why? The more people involved in a conspiracy, the more likely it will leak out. A conspiracy between two people may never get it, a conspiracy between a hundred people will have someone slip up in a few years at most, but an international conspiracy involving millions of people with disparate interests wouldn’t stay secret for a second.
What we’re seeing isn’t a conspiracy as such. It’s a conversation happening in the open about “business models” and “revenue streams”. It’s also based on customer expectations. There are definitely markets out there for the repairable, buy it for life goods, but there’s just not nearly as big as the customer who upgrades their phone every two years. But obviously that’s going to be different for diabetes. Reliably being able to repair pancreatic cells would be huge. If the companies selling insulin tried to internally stifle research to avoid cannibalizing their insulin business, other companies have an enormous incentive to take a crack at it.
Pharma investors have a solid position and are already racking big profits from the continuous model of insulin treatments. A cure would be a detriment to their profits, so it’s not something they’re interested in funding.
No investor nowadays thinks a one-time-payment product is worthwhile. We’re already way past that.
This isn’t to mention that if you were an investor who decided you wanted to go ahainst that, that the other mega corporations (with more funds than most of those 5% individuals) wouldn’t engage in anti competitive practices to shut you down. Many companies had good products but still ultimately failed. I mean hell, the boeing events have shown us the lengths a corporation is willing to go to protect its profits, and that’s just what we heard of.
Unfortunately capitalism does not allow innovation to flourish like many of us were taught to believe.
Does this logic apply in China?
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