• Lugh@futurology.todayEnglish
    42·
    1 year ago

    I think fediverse people are wildly overestimating how much 99% of Reddit users care about this. The mod team on r/futurology (I’m one of them) set up a fediverse site just over a month ago (here you go - https://futurology.today/ ) It’s been modestly successful so far, but the vast majority of subscribers seem to be coming from elsewhere in the fediverse, not migrants from Reddit.

    This is despite the fact we’ve permanently stickied a post to the top of the sub. r/futurology has over 19 million subscribers, and yet the fediverse is only attracting a tiny trickle of them. I doubt most people on Reddit even know what the word fediverse means.

    • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
      10·
      1 year ago

      Even the head mod of piracy subreddit was ousted from the subreddit for attempting to migrate the sub to a lemmy instance, and the redditors that remain there actually cheered! It’s wild, you would expect pirates, who always at risk of having their subreddit shut down, would understand the need to migrate.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      101·
      1 year ago

      People who would leave a site like Reddit because of a principled stance often mistakenly believe that the rest of society cares as deeply as they. Spoiler: society mostly doesn’t care; at least, not enough to go out of their way to change anything.

      • KᑌᔕᕼIᗩ@lemmy.mlEnglish
        61·
        1 year ago

        There are a lot of people that are actually too dumb to change platforms and assume apps like Reddit are the actual internet.

        • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
          6·
          1 year ago

          My father had a doctorate of engineering. He was a brilliant man. When I saw him search for Google and then follow the search link to google.com, to then search on their home page, I started to tell him he should search from the address / search field in his browser. He was instantly becoming confused and so I said, “nevermind,” because his way got him satisfactory results so why bother. Some people aren’t dumb at all. They just don’t care about the same things you or I mighty enough to learn them (beyond basics).

    • andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works
      7·
      1 year ago

      IIRC stickies are also excluded from feed once they get this attribute.

      But yeah, we don’t even understand what a barrier switching to fediverse sites is for regular joes, jemmas and jermas. Like, for many people the internet is suggested apps’ feed and, rarely, their browser’s default start page. They don’t choose anything, and why would they? And here we are, challenging them to do something on intent while they are pretty happy with what they have now.

      • Lugh@futurology.todayEnglish
        9·
        1 year ago

        and why would they? … they are pretty happy with what they have now.

        Exactly. Only a very small number of people are motivated as the pioneers who’ve setup the fediverse now are. Again looking at this through the lens of r/futurology & our fediverse site. Why would a user also want to go to a second version of the exact same thing, but way, way smaller.

        My hunch is that long-term the fediverse will prosper. Reddit still isn’t too bad even with these changes, at least not compared to what an absolute shithole Twitter has become.

        But people who care about making it bigger, should be asking themselves hard questions - this meme comes across as very complacent & out of touch, if many people really believe the sentiments it’s expressing.

      • pewnit@lemmings.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        I literally only switched because of Boost. Also, since Boost for Reddit still works for me, I continue to use that as well

    • gila@lemm.ee
      81·
      1 year ago

      Literally swap the word Fediverse in that pinned post for Lemmy and you’ll get more engagement with it. Because you’re right, even if the current reddit user has heard of lemmy and mastodon, they still most likely don’t know what the fediverse is, don’t understand the site linked to is a lemmy instance / reddit alternative. Subbed to !futurology@futurology.today btw, if the current activity there can be sustained I think it’ll shape up to be a nice community

    • rockerface 🇺🇦@lemm.ee
      2·
      1 year ago

      I’m technically from elsewhere in the fediverse, but I’m also a Reddit migrant (back in June). Thank you for setting the community up, I’ve missed it from Reddit days

    • ADTJ@feddit.uk
      0·
      1 year ago

      It’s also likely that most visitors don’t go to the sub directly so the stickied post is easily missed

      • Lugh@futurology.todayEnglish
        11·
        1 year ago

        https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/15wi75l/rfuturology_is_now_in_the_fediverse_at/

        It’s hard to know exactly how many people see them from the stats Reddit gives Mods. Reddit gives a figure within the post for views, which stands at about 160,000 for the post I mentioned. That includes the times people have been served the title in their feed & and the times people clicked on it (sadly Reddit doesn’t differentiate further).

        The fediverse site has been going for 6 weeks and has about 620 subscribers. My guestimate from looking at addresses in comments is that maybe 100-150 are reddit migrants. So roughly speaking 1 in 1000 r/futurology people who saw something about our fediverse site were motivated to join.

        A sobering thought for people who think the fediverse is about to crush reddit.

        • treadful@lemmy.zipEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          !newcommunities@lemmy.world and some others are also a good places to promote your communities.

          Those sub numbers don’t include federated subscribers, from what I’ve read. And a lot of people seem to just browse All all the time and block communities they don’t want to see. Still doesn’t match any numbers in the millions, but things might be a bit more impactful than you think.

        • criitz@reddthat.com
          1·
          1 year ago

          This is still the early adoption phase. You can’t expect all of the general populace to swap over. But it has been strong enough to start building the fedoverse into a real alternative. The “replacement” of reddit at large is far in the future.

  • Ethalia@feddit.ch
    331·
    1 year ago

    I assure you that the average userbase doesn’t care about such things. (Lmao - Privacy? I got nothing to hide -type of people) As long as functionality doesn’t break massively there won’t be an exodus.

    • rush@lemm.ee
      51·
      1 year ago

      funnily enough whenever I point out that Privacy ≠ Secrecy in conversations like this I always get the surprised pikachu face and they (indirectly) immediately admit defeat

  • AJam@lemmy.ca
    28·
    1 year ago

    I find it fascinating that their own app can be so horrible when there are so many amazing alternatives that exist(ed)

  • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    271·
    1 year ago

    All these users are suffering there but none of them seem to be considering…. Leaving

    I saw one that said they would stay until Reddit charges a fee to use the site…like why are they staying??? JUST FUCKING LEAVE

    One even said “there are no viable alternatives” when talking about Reddit, like excuse me what the fuck?

    • satnififu@lemmy.ml
      543·
      1 year ago

      I’ll probably get hate, but the content just isn’t there. I tried using Lemmy as my main, but most of the communities I’d follow on Reddit just weren’t on here, and if they were, they would have a couple hundred of subscribers at most, and there would be 7 different versions of the same community on different instances with no way to measure quality at first glance. Lemmy thrives for geeky hobbies that surround the FOSS space that gave birth to it, so communities like Linux or Unixporn have a strong enough presence, but for pretty much anything else it’s just not there yet. Is this a negative feedback loop? Yes, but there isn’t much to be done about it until shit REALLY hits the fan

      PD: As an added, Lemmy can get incredibly circle-jerky at times, even more so than Reddit already is. Like seriously at times 90% of the content on my feed is just shitting on Reddit plebs

      • ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml
        10·
        1 year ago

        Honestly that’s been a bit of a plus in the sense I’m spending much less time scrolling mindlessly on my phone. Of course I’d prefer that reduced time to be of a higher quality but the pros outweigh the cons for me

      • SchizoDenji@lemm.ee
        5·
        1 year ago

        Lemmy can get incredibly circle-jerky at times

        I always assumed that since both upvote and downvote counters are visible, it won’t be the case. But boy I was wrong. The political/news posts are always a constant shitshow reminiscent of T_D.

    • spider@lemmy.nz
      6·
      1 year ago

      All these users are suffering there but none of them seem to be considering… Leaving

      Reminds me of people who keep voting for politicians they supposedly can’t stand.

    • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
      61·
      1 year ago

      All these users are suffering there but none of them seem to be considering…. Leaving

      I think because they are uninformed. They are looking for alternatives, and don’t know about Lemmy, or don’t understand Lemmy, etc.

      • Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        6·
        1 year ago

        Unfortunately, to understand lemmy is to be on lemmy. You have to be here and experience it.

        They have to make that leap of faith. There’s nothing to lose anyway, there’s no requirement to delete reddit to become a lemmy user. So what’s holding them back. Mauve they believe the anti lemmy post on reddit or maybe they just say they want to leave reddit but has no real desire to follow through.

        • Dave.@aussie.zone
          7·
          1 year ago

          But… what about my 83k karma and 13 year badge!

          Gamification is a powerful addictive force.

          When Reddit locked down their API and Boost stopped working, I forced myself to do casual browsing on chrome on my phone. It was clunky enough that I didn’t bother replying to comments, and navigation is a bit of a pain on mobile, and that was enough to ruin the game.

      • DrProfessorNo@lemmy.ml
        14·
        1 year ago

        People forget how bad reddit was when we all moved from digg.com. It was bad. It would crash every other day.

        Lemmy is far more mature than reddit was during the digg exodus.

        • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
          5·
          1 year ago

          I wasn’t an early adopter of Reddit, or Lemmy, but this sort of has the same issues of momentum as web browsers do. It doesn’t matter how they started. Where they are now is the standard, and that’s what you have to build to in order to be a viable replacement. With browsers it’s the capability to serve pretty much any page with all the bells and whistles, with Reddit/Lemmy it’s all the posts, comments, and user base. I think it can happen, but it won’t be easy or fast. I’m not worried, though. I think we can rely on spez to send more users this way until a suitable number of users have joined.

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
        104·
        1 year ago

        I’m a trans woman here, and to be honest change of any kind is so scary that it is unbelievable. Like when I finally got approved for hormone, the prescription stayed at the pharmacy for like 2 or 3 weeks before eventually I decided to call a friend…

        I knew that if I went myself I would probably just chicken out or maybe I’d pick them up and just put them aside somewhere, simply because I knew that there would be no going back. I didn’t even want to go back, but the fact that I couldn’t was still scary.

        But my friend made me take them right then and there, as anybody would, as he always had a good ability to talk me out of my inhibitions.

        It’s been about a decade since then and lemme tell you, life is better on two legs than three.

        Hell I had been wanting a Reddit alternative for the longest time because the place was a shit hole from the beginning, but traditional online forums are dead.

        It took a Perma ban from the whole site for me to make the switch, it’s going to come sooner or later, it’s a ban happy website it wasn’t even the first time.

        Even then I felt like a criminal on the run.

        PS: a bunch of right wing trolls have reported my account for threats of violence, simply because I said something about Star Wars that they didn’t like.

        I got a permaban, and had to write an appeal letter to get them to look at what I actually posted to realize that there was not even the slightest hint of a threat there.

        Ironically the second time was for abusing the report button, something that’s not even listed in their terms of service, because that was easier than actually looking at all of the bigoted things that I reported. I try appealing that too, but never got a response

    • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      There are no viable Alternatives because they won’t come here, to the viable alternative. Seriously I would love to be able to go on special interest boards again but unfortunately the crowd is still on Lemmy.

      Who’s prostate do I have to massage with a rubber glove in order to get a simple conversation about Dragon Quest going on around here?

    • MiddledAgedGuy@beehaw.org
      1·
      1 year ago

      There aren’t viable alternatives. We don’t have the active niche (and not so niche) communities reddit does. And even if there was somehow a meaningful mass exodus, these little instances would break like wet toilet paper trying to hold a bowling ball.

      I don’t say this to be critical of lemmy. I’m happy here. Just being realistic.

  • Zicoxy3@lemmy.ml
    273·
    1 year ago

    Unfortunately, reddit has been too long and entrenched in society to “remove” it from our browsers. It is very different from Twitter or another social network. Lemmy is a great project. I hope it works and establishes itself as a real alternative, but it still has a long way to go. Unfortunately, the Reddit/Lemmy format is resource intensive, and that’s the problem with a service like this.

    It’s my simple opinion. I support any fediverso project, but reddit, today I think it is irreplaceable.

    • shaked_coffee@feddit.it
      5·
      1 year ago

      That’s very true!

      Thanks to the whole blackout thing and the many amazing apps that came to Lemmy (like Sync that I’m using rn and loving), Lemmy is now good enough to replace Reddit for the new content (at least in my opinion)

      But Reddit is not (or at least not only) an “what’s happening now” social network like Twitter and there is a huge amount of old content on it that can still really useful. So I guess that, in the best scenario, we’ll have Reddit and Lemmy cohexist and complement each other :)

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      182·
      1 year ago

      With the sheer number of @Civility@hexbear.net liberals that get mad at the existence of people more left than them in federated spaces but go out of their way to “dae both sides” justify the presence of nazis, I’d say the chances are higher than that.

    • stembolts@programming.dev
      112·
      1 year ago

      Well, its a federation. So the instances that wish to be associated with such, will be. And the ones that don’t, won’t be. Your language is limited by your concept of a website. Reconsider the concept if you wish and update your language accordingly. It will make your comments more clear.

    • iamtuna@lemm.ee
      2·
      1 year ago

      Same. I was super frustrated with the killing off of Apollo. This is more than frustrating, it should be illegal. Oh wait, it is is some countries just not the US…

  • boiledfrog [he/him, undecided]@hexbear.net
    92·
    1 year ago

    I might be biased but I find that reddit has become insufferably right wing in it’s userbase, especially since the last fiasco.

    I just lookevery once in a while and it is full of the most reactionary, nationalist shite

  • Andrew Tropin@fosstodon.org
    6·
    1 year ago

    @ZWho63 Can I comment lemmy posts from mastodon?

    My findings so far:
    - Can I edit it? (Yes I can)

    - Pictures attached on mastodon don’t show up on lemmy.

    - Some replies don’t show up on lemmy.ml, but visible on fosstodon.org and https://pawb.social.

    - Link to pawb.social is not linkified without https:// prefix.

    An example of two attached screenshots that are visible only on fosstodon: https://fosstodon.org/@abcdw/111152102681928222

    • ℛ𝒶𝓋ℯ𝓃@pawb.social
      2·
      1 year ago

      I’m assuming this comment is from Mastodon? If so, yes. You show up as “Andrew Tropin@null.” I’m replying from Lemmy, home instance pawb.social.

    • Rambi@lemm.ee
      1·
      1 year ago

      So on Mastadon do you see Lemmy posts as the Mastadon equivalent of a Tweet?

      I never see posts and comments from Mastadon users on Lemmy even though I believe it’s more popular so you would expect there to be more or at least a similar number as from Lemmy users. I think your comment is only the second I’ve seen from Mastadon users.

      Like the other reply says, the user tag of the last Mastadon user I saw was [name]@null, though yours is fine for me now. Also odd that your attached images don’t show even though Lemmy has that feature too. Maybe these issues will be ironed out soon

        • Rambi@lemm.ee
          1·
          1 year ago

          Huh interesting. So I guess replies appear in order of when they were made and not weighted based on upvotes, seen as there appears to be no equivent on Mastodon? Quite cool (and a bit confusing) how Activity Pub is stitching everything together. I wish I could see more content from Mastodon show up in Lemmy, not sure how that would work with communities though.

          Also, I notice the web version of Mastodon has a really nice UI

  • BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works
    6·
    1 year ago

    As I removed everything from all my Reddit accounts and deleted them, except my porn account for some nieche fetishes, I don’t care. Let it die and save the porn.