More importantly, Ohio voted to protect reproductive rights!!! 👍
OK OK there are like 10 posts about that already, let us have our marijuana thread. 😉
First time I’m hearing about it 🤷
Was fairly tongue in cheek, but when I fired up kbin and hit the 12 hour filter (as is my usual) I think three or four of the top ten posts were about Ohio abortion rights. Had to dig further to find this one.
I’m not really grumpy about it being mentioned here though, just a playful early morning comment.
Yeah it’s just that this headline was the only one I saw for a while, and I didn’t see anyone mention it in the comments either! So I’m happy to spread the word. Glad to mention it here. Surely some people saw one or the other first, and we’re gonna be shouting out in the streets.
My objection was not at all serious, sorry if it sounded that way!
Nope, not as important. Marijuana legalization affects the freedom of more citizens than access to abortion.
Both should be legal of course.
As a huge stoner, I’d say fewer broke families without the means to raise their children is a bit more important than legal weed.
OHIGHO
It’s right there in the NAME!!! (gestures wildly)
Between the marijuana and women’s rights, conservatives must be losing their goddamned minds with rage right now.
I think weed is probably a pretty divisive issue in the party. I love in Oregon and know a ton of die-hard, Trump lovin’ Republicans who love weed and have long before it was legalized. I think it’s mostly the religious fundamentalists in the south and places like Utah/Idaho who oppose it while the rest probably don’t care at this point.
The Tea Party rode their way up on the coattails of classic Libertarians. The basically want to legalize everything from smoking weed to killing gays and owning people. “Freedom”
When it looks like Republicans are confused and cannibalizing themselves, it’s because of the bloc that married Trump.
At this point it’s probably helpful to appreciate that the only reason weed is federally illegal is that the Nixon administration needed a pretext to expand the police state so that it could go after the antiwar left and brown people.
Since then, having drugs like weed be illegal gives cops discretion to target ‘likely suspects’, which basically can mean ‘brown people’ and anyone they don’t like the look of
The basically want to legalize everything from smoking weed
Yes
killing gays and owning people.
No
killing gays and owning people. No
The Tea Party has been rabidly anti-LGBTQ and historically pro-Confederate-Identity.
Yeah, there was a little hyperbole there. But not by very much.
The people that say stuff like that are probably 16 years old and didn’t actually observe the Tea Party movement as it occurred. They only know what the social media comments tell them to think about it. It was basically a “tired of gov’t bullshit” movement that wanted taxes lowered and freedom increased.
I’m wondering why we’re even currently talking about an organization that was only relevant for like two years thirteen years ago.
I knew insiders in the early Tea movement (not leaders, but those with contact with them). They largely combined a few members of the ultra-wealthy with some of the fringe Libertarian elements. The whole goal was about manipulating politics for profit while giving one of the Third Parties with a lot of potential “a way in”.
Deep down inside, I think some of the early Tea folks thought it would be a fair deal if they got richer by negotiating a deal between the Chomskys and the Pauls since deep down they wanted a lot of the same things.
But that wasn’t enough. Chomsky and Paul didn’t buy a majority when the Republicans were getting sick of Chomsky and Libertarians were getting sick of Paul. So they had to find another marginalized group that was “tired of gov’t bullshit”. The problem is, that marginalized group was the secular extremist. Proud Boys, KKK, UDC, etc.
No. I’m not 16. I was in college when Libertarians hit their early ceiling. The Libertarians were “tired of gov’t bullshit”. And I didn’t like them, but I could look them in the eye and respect them. But Tea was never Libertarian. That’s what they want you to think. Classic Libertarians would never support “States Rights” like Tea. You know why? They were “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
To be CRYSTAL clear. The Tea Party has always been reactionary and populist. Neither of those things jive with “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
Per Pew. 64% of Tea party members oppose gay marriage (they couch it as government growth, but they don’t actually support dismantling CIS marriage or deregulating the things that gay marriage legally solves). 59% of Tea Party members support a federal ban on abortion (small gov’t, YUP). 51% of Tea Party members want stronger border security. Members of Tea or Christian Conservative parties only disagree between 5% and 10% of the time.
The Tea Party never really had anything to do with being “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
And if I can say all that at “16 year old”, boy wait till I hit 40…
NOTE: Yes I was exaggerating on slavery position. I’ve only seen one or two members of Tea defend it actively, but boy did they passively defend Confederate Identity for years.
The Tea Party never really had anything to do with being “tired of gov’t bullshit”.
You wrote all that to just be wrong, what a waste of time. Is it not common knowledge that TEA in Tea Party was commonly used as an acronym for Taxed Enough Already? That and a number of their other stances were just like I said they were.
I met members of the Tea Party too when they were active in my area. They told me what they were in it for, and what they told me is as I described. So I said “Cool, man, keep it up.”
It is not common knowledge, because I’d never heard that until just now. Seems like a backronym to me, and the name “tea party” references the anti-tax event in 1773.
You wrote all that to just be wrong, what a waste of time
Oh look, you drew a picture where you’re a Chad and I look stupid. You win.
Is it not common knowledge that TEA in Tea Party was commonly used as an acronym for Taxed Enough Already? That and a number of their other stances were just like I said they were.
Of course that’s common knowledge. And it fits all-in with what I’m explaining. But it’s also perfectly-tuned to be palatable by the mainstream Republican. That’s why the old discussion between Libertarian and Tea that slowly turned into one part of the Libertarian side “melding” with it and the other absolutely hating it… And then Left-Libertarianism slowly collapsed into a shell of what it used to be. And Right-Libertarianism just isn’t what it used to be.
I met members of the Tea Party too when they were active in my area
Members or leadership? Tea is like Pro-Life. The members are preaching a very different thing (many very different things) than the leaders. There are established anti-tax groups in the GOP. When you can join two anti-tax groups, one with white hoods and one without them, taxes might not be your issuse.
They told me what they were in it for, and what they told me is as I described.
So they told you they were actually Rank and File moderate anti-tax Republicans and you believed them? So why be part of a fringe group that’s endorsed by extremists if all you want is just what Noem wanted? He didn’t need the KKK to back his message. He didn’t need to go all-in anti-abortion or all-in anti-homosexuality.
And interestingly, I cited evidence of the “not in any way related to tax” part, and you kinda brushed that aside like it doesn’t matter that Tea is primarily different from the GOP in extremism on non-tax-related issues. And the KKK endorsement.
EDIT: Just a thought. Maybe “I also talked to a couple members of the Tea party” isn’t sufficient evidence to belittle an interlocutor and call them a 16 year older? One thing I’m not is ignorant about this topic. There may be a middleground whjere we can agree to disagree on things, but an idiot I am not. And you only make yourself look like one when you treat people that way.
EDIT2: Have a reference. Here’s a book I found by a well-respected Professor explaining the Tea Party’s KKK-like roots, concluding in part that racism is foundational to their ideologies.
EDIT3: This reference is innocent on its own, but repeats the Billionaires part of my description.
EDIT4: (this one is a gamble, since you’ll really show true colors if you reject it), the NAACP reference page on the Tea Party with regards to racism. Kinda all on-board with what I’ve been saying.
So…are college professors, researchers, and the NAACP all 16 years old?
I have some high school classmates who grew up in Oregon in the seventies and eighties. As I understand things, weed is a long standing culture in Oregon that was more or less openly tolerated to grow your own back in the day. Present day situation doesn’t surprise me at all.
I did a ride along with an Ohio police department years ago. Marijuana was present at damn near every scene we responded to. Usually it was the least of their concern. Scatter it, grind it into the dirt, move on. Barely worth mentioning in the paperwork.
It’s been a long time coming and I’m glad they finally made it official.
Hope it lasts. The problem is it’s an initiated statute rather than a constitutional amendment, so that means the can be repealed or amended by the gerrymandered state legislature anytime, and Republicans are already threatening to do just that.
I say, go ahead and do that. This passed in a landslide, and I’m looking forward to a blue Ohio where Gym Jorden and the worthless Republicans flushed down the toilet like the stale turds they are.
The legislature is gerrymandered so bad, there would be no consequences. The Republicans have safe seats. Ignoring the voters will have no consequences. We need another decade for more Boomers to die to turn blue.
It passed by a 14-point margin. That means Republicans in republican districts voted for this.
The thing is with gerrymandering of seats? The margins are razor thin. You lose a couple of percentage points, and you lose that seat. Fighting this, and you lose more than a few percentage points.
Oh, they are not that thin. Most R seats are safe. And just because some Republicans voted for marijuana doesn’t mean the will vote for a Democrat. They make like legal weed, but they HATE Democrats.
The fact is, they were already planning to change it the second it passed. I bet they eliminate the home grow provision, cut THC limits, and raise the tax rate to make it unaffordable.
Exactly. There’s enough actually sensible Republicans on the issue of weed to cost the GOP a few seats.
So PA is going to be officially surrounded by legal states, while only having medical
This is worse than the fireworks.
We New Hampshirites are as well.
Our state is called the “Live Free or Die State” too. So much for that bullshit as long as Republicans are in charge.
How sad is it that we have to drive north for fireworks and you have to drive south to get high.
And… there’s no better place to get high than NH. (Not that I know from experience or anything)
I work in Mass, so I hit a dispensary off 495 on the way home. Sucks that my money is being spent in mass, but the free-staters want it that way apparently
I’ve been living in MA for a few years now. How’s the governor race looking without Sununu?
I think the NH govt has been holding out for federal legality so they can control most of the market like they do with booze.
That’s what they are saying, but fuck that. Let me grow my own God dammit.
Same in Indiana, and we don’t even have medical.
Ohio: Hotbed of liberal hippies.
Why is Pennsylvania so late on this?
Man NC is moronic. Replace all the lost tobacco money with weed money… I mean come on. Should be a no brainer.
NC is the prime climate for growing too. I’ll be making the drive to the Cherokee Reservation when they get their dispensaries running, and they can have my money.
Puritanical and Quaker values still run deep there.
I thought it was medically available?
Only under an incredibly convoluted and stupidly managed medical program run by public officials who publicly stated they didn’t want it.
I’m glad cause the “Ohio 8th” which was 2.8g instead of the 3.5g, because it was 1/10th and was the standard for a “day” of consumption will finally die. As will the stupid an convoluted “days” system, limits to purity of product, so no more limiting strains to below 30% or dabs below 80% purity. No more $200 annual fee for medical cards. No more limits to business licenses so more dispensaries, more production centers, more competition. It also adds the right for a person to grow up to six plants. And to commemorate that I’ve got a home hydroponic system from Vevor and Mars Hydro on the way, so I’m finally free to grow my own.
The lower prices and less restrictions will finally lead us to recapturing almost $250mil per year in tax $ to Michigan as well. My heart goes out to all the dispensaries in Michigan that are about to close, but damnit that’s our tax $.
This 100% ends the BS interference DeWine and the R’s have been putting on us. I look forward to the next 30 days and beyond as all this is established. The law goes into effect 12/7.
Congrats on the passage and good luck on your grow!
I got started again earlier this year when my state (MN) finally got it passed, Mars Hydro is great for tents and lights, also grabbed an AC Infinity inline fan which is basically silent compared to the old POS blower I had from 10 years ago while moving a shit ton of air.
I really think home grow is the biggest benefit of legalization, being able to produce your own cannabis and watch it thru the entire process is kind of magical compared to just handing someone cash and getting a bag of junk back. I’m looking forward to getting a press and playing around with concentrates, such an exciting time for cannabis.
it’s just so anachronistic that it’s still illegal anywhere. nobody deserves criminal prosecution for any drug, let alone marijuana. it should be trivial paper shuffling to fix it too, it’s not like it needs funding or infrastructure. just hit the fucking button!
Germany is finally trying to legalize it, but I have no hope that it’s gonna last past this term. “Drugs are bad mkay” seems to be what media is trying to propagate into people’s minds.
I think it actually requires passing a federal bill, but I’m not honestly sure. Either way I’m with you, it should never have been made illegal and it certainly didn’t still be federally illegal today…
AFAIK the DEA and drug scheduling is under the executive branch so someone like Biden should be able to have it rescheduled, but so far all we’ve gotten from him is a committee to study whether marijuana is dangerous or not as roughly half the country have already fully legalized it and probably 2/3 have it legal for medicinal purposes.
I think weed is an issue where Biden’s personal life experience and age show more than just about anywhere else. He’s an old devout Catholic boomer that doesn’t even drink and has a son that’s had a very public struggle with drug addiction. I don’t think he’s ever going to exactly be a champion of legalization.
It’s definitely something that can be criticized, but in the grand scheme of things, given that federal prosecution of marijuana “crimes” are basically non-existent nowadays anyway, it’s a pretty small matter for me. You are right though that he has taken a step towards potentially rescheduling it, which is definitely a step in the right direction.
While people aren’t really being federally prosecuted, the ban still does have far reaching effects like not being able to cross a state border while in possession, get a federal job, or open a bank account as a dispensary (except in some circumstances). Our state department of revenue had to spend millions of dollars to build a giant vault in order to collect millions of dollars in cash from the tax revenue.
I just find it frustrating since I think there’s plenty of political will to just end this draconian prohibition nationwide relatively easily, but nobody seems willing to step up to the plate regardless of party.
nobody seems willing to step up to the plate regardless of party.
I mean, this is the exact thing I’m talking about. Things are actually happening, but it’s the federal government and glaciers are speedy in comparison. The Department of Health and Human Services is, right now, doing work to fully explore rescheduling marijuana. A bill was passed recently that makes it substantially easier for researchers to study marijuana for medical purposes by reducing legal barriers.
Progress is slow, and I completely understand and agree that it’s frustrating, but that doesn’t mean that nothing is happening.
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Long overdue - by more than 10 years really - that it’s done at the federal level.
