"You won't be able to sell those cars," says the legally embroiled former president
  • MyOpinion@lemm.ee
    169·
    1 month ago

    It is hard to believe this moron has a chance of being president again. We are a doomed country.

    • stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub
      852·
      1 month ago

      Don’t let the media and talking heads convince you of anything.

      There are a great majority of people who want nothing to do with Trump, his Russian bootlicking or any of his other xenophobic hate.

      Just vote.

      • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
        291·
        1 month ago

        But the system is rigged so that a relatively small minority of morons can fuck shit up for everybody else. So yeah, guys, vote like your life depends on it because it literally does.

        • stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub
          11·
          1 month ago

          And those of us who are voting and get elected will, and have been, continue to stop vote rigging, jerrymandering, and voter intimidation.

          Voting doesn’t end at the end of the presidential election. It involves your local elections too. Especially anything to do with your local educational system.

        • SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 month ago

          It’s not a relatively small minority. Trump has lost the popular vote every time he’s run, but not by huge margins. There are a lot of people that legitimately want Trump as a president, and many more that view him as the lesser of two evils. Don’t underestimate that and definitely don’t let down your guard.

      • ShepherdPie@midwest.social
        23·
        1 month ago

        He’s the Republican nominee. What do you mean by letting “the media and talking heads convince you of anything?” Based on the previous two presidential elections, he’s got a 50/50 shot which says a lot about his opponent.

    • tooLikeTheNope@lemmy.ml
      14·
      1 month ago

      I don’t know.

      I’m perplexed honestly.

      I live in italy and here too government took a steep turn to the right since last elections.

      It is like the most roborantly bamboozling idiocy someone from a stage can scream the more he gets applauded as the folks’ hero for speaking their unsung voices.

      On the other hand if you try to build an organic and critical dialogue you only get yawned away as utterly boring.

      I don’t think it is the ones screaming from their stages being the morons, well not the most moron at least, but instead they are those who give their precious votes, hard conquered from their ancestors who gift them with a life in a democracy, to these unambiguously unmistakable frauds, and who hide in the self-obliviousness of the guilty conscience for the vote they have cast their incapability of admitting their own deep existential self-inadequacy.

      • Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        1 month ago

        Lots of people are incredibly stupid. Many of those stupid people are also selfish and mean. It will always be easy to appeal to those people by blaming all their problems on others. Until science figures out a way to force on the empathy parts of our brains, we’ll go through these cycles of stupid people cheering on fascism.

  • Nougat@fedia.io
    64·
    1 month ago

    This is just naked corruption, making promises to the oil execs he’s been trying to curry favor with, right? Because apart from that - the thing that might put more money in Trump’s pocket - I can’t fathom what the point would be.

    • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
      16·
      1 month ago

      To “own da libz.”

      He’s pandering to the section of his base who all drive lifted coal rollin’ diesel trucks who all know that “everyone knows” electric vehicle owners are all avocado toast eating homosexuals who vote Democrat.

    • AFK BRB Chocolate@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      1 month ago

      It’s a double win for him. Yes, he’s courting automakers and the oil and gas industry, so this gets him that, but a giant percentage of his base is simply against anything that liberals are for. Think of those idiots rolling coal. They’re literally making their cars as polluting as possible. What do they gain from it? The only thing it does, besides contributing to climate change, is upset liberals, and that’s the goal. Every one of those people will support this.

    • ShepherdPie@midwest.social
      2·
      1 month ago

      I think you’re overanalyzing things.

      He’s a liar and a con man and he’s just telling his supporters what they want to hear. Tomorrow, he’ll tell his other supporters that he’s going to do the exact opposite because that’s what they want to hear. There is no consistency or underlying ideal other than telling people what they want to hear so that he can get more support.

    • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
      83·
      1 month ago

      Elon will donate a few mil to his campaign, and Tesla will end up being the only company allowed to sell them.

    • Buffalox@lemmy.world
      35·
      1 month ago

      This will eat 80% of Tesla profits, so he will probably ask Tesla to hurry up with the $56 billion he think he is owed.
      Tesla stock would plummet even faster than they have recently.

      Then he will try to convince Trump to use SpaceX for his Space Force, and have Trump implanted with a chip from Neuralink so he can remote control him. 😋 And then blame any problems on the Jews.

    • Veedem@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      1 month ago

      Thank you.

      That Gizmodo article is HORRIBLY written up and there never actually mention the quote outside of the blurb beneath the headline so the lack of context had me questioning them. Pretty shitty reporting.

  • masquenox@lemmy.world
    271·
    1 month ago

    Oooh… I can just imagine the cognitive dissonance over on twitter reaching critical mass.

  • IHeartBadCode@kbin.social
    142·
    1 month ago

    Donald Trump says random bullshit he cannot deliver on, that will appeal to his most rabid supporters.

    The Biden Tariffs have way more impact on total EVs sales than reducing the EV credit to $0. The tariff blocks $6k EVs from enter the US, the credits just knocks $7.5k off a $50k car.

    Like I get that us here in the United States are wary of Chinese things, but let’s all be honest, American car companies aren’t going to produce a sub $20k EV anytime soon. LiFePO₄ batteries have been a thing for some time now, the excuse the batteries are the main cost of the car is faux argument that US makers just aren’t ready to stop subsidizing their other vehicle platforms with EV sales.

    Trump’s arguments won’t do shit no matter which side of the aisle you sit. The thing killing wide adoption in the US of EVs is the US EV makers.

  • LordOfLocksley@lemmy.worldEnglish
    103·
    1 month ago

    God, now this makes it a difficult one.

    On one hand a Trump presidency is awful, on the other hand seeing Elon Musk have a mental breakdown as he can no longer sell Teslas in America is almost worth while

  • CaptDust@sh.itjust.works
    5·
    1 month ago

    He’s begged the oil industry to come up with a $1b donation for his “campaign”, this is the reach around if they make it happen.

  • BezzelBob@lemmy.world
    51·
    1 month ago

    Can anyone give a legit reason as to why EVs are bad? Because all I’ve seen is “they don’t make cool BROOM BROOM noise” and “they’re bad for the environment” which is only true because of oil and gas companies bribing governments to restrict green energy infrastructure

    • Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip
      41·
      1 month ago

      theres only two temporary reasons. 1. the environmental reason is less the gas vs battery situation, but more the EVs are heavy, and the biggest pollutant are car tires. this tied with US consumer obsession of SUV sized vehicles dont help.

      the other is not all places have an equivalent “gas tax” which is used for road maintainance usually for EVs since, well they dont use gas.

      both fixable problems but can be considered a problem

      • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 month ago

        the tire wear thing was a very warped interpretation of a study. Tire wear emits more particulate pollution than exhaust does. Pollution from exhaust is primarily gaseous.

        If my math is right, about 2.6 million tons worth of tires are sold in the US annually. While co2 emissions from vehicles amount to around 1.5 billion tons. Even completely vaporizing every tire sold in a year wouldnt come close to tailpipe emissions.

      • Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world
        3·
        1 month ago

        Isn’t it also that sourcing the raw materials for the batteries results in a lot of pollution, and the charging is often provided by coal burning plants?

        • AA5B@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 month ago

          No one burns coal anymore!

          But seriously I saw one model by energy portfolio per US State, calculating how long you’d need to drive to make up for the additional emissions during construction

          • all had a threshold where the EV came out ahead, lifetime emissions
          • a couple states with cleaner power, had a threshold as low as two years typical driving, then it’s all gravy
          • West Virginia and Wyoming were the worst, with high reliance on coal for power generation. The threshold was 14 years, so an EV would still come out ahead if it lasted its expected lifetime (Teslas are supposedly good for 15 years, 250k miles before replacing battery)

          WV and WY are heavy red, rural, sparsely populated states, so not a good scenario for EVs anyway. But there’s also a point there about how heavily polluting they are, how the efforts if like 379M to reduce our impact on the environment are sabotaged by less than 1M owned by coal companies

        • masquenox@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 month ago

          Isn’t it also that sourcing the raw materials

          This also leads to a shit-ton of attendant neocolonial shitfuckery - but nobody in the US really cares about that.

        • shunir@lemmy.world
          1·
          1 month ago

          Sure it is, but oil drilling also require electricity provided by same plants and isn’t exactly clean either.

        • Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip
          1·
          1 month ago

          ofc its one, but that can be said about a lot of resources. the latter was already mentioned which is why i didnt mention it.

      • BezzelBob@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 month ago

        I didnt know tires where the biggest polluters, I’m all for getting rid of cars in general but the public transit sucks which makes me think it’s just wishful thinking