Is it bots? Are those humans whos mission is to cause chaos? Is the weird behaviour caused by the creation of the concept of lemmy?
Somebody please explain to me wtf is going on.
They answer destructive comments, assuming shit, demanding shit. Are they trolls?
Are they being paid for causing chaos? It’s insane
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What had me block the instance was how the majority of Hexbear posts and users I was encountering initially was how annoyingly spammy they were. Acting like Lemmy was Twitch chat, spamming giant ugly reaction stickers everywhere, literally behaving like 12 year olds.
Then I also started to notice the far-right authoritarian simping buried under all that chaos.
Yes! The fucking stickers are so annoying.
My understanding of the stickers is that on their instance they aren’t massive. So it’s some disconnect between their UI and others. But I might be misremembering.
All responsible server admins have them defederated. Hate speech and genocide denial, that is almost certainly against the law in Canada, Germany, and other places. We defederated lemmygrad for the same reason.
I specifically chose my instance because it’s not blocked or being blocked by too many instances.
I’d rather judge myself what I want to be exposed to.
I guess server admins who haven’t defederated them are either with them ORRR they put more responsibility towards their users.
There is an instance block feature you can use in the settings as a user, that seems to work pretty well for not seeing hexbear stuff
Instance block is not as effective as defederation, even on an individual level. I have received replies and messages from accounts on blocked instances; nothing gets through defederation.
I got a bit of harassment from hexbear users when I started using Lemmy, haven’t in a while now though, I have blocked around 30 of them and instance block
Yep that’s pretty normal and it’s why most instances have defederated.
I thought the same thing, but got worn down by the constant negativity and rage.
Or they live in a country where genocide denial is legal. I live in Canada and my server is in Canada. I’m not willing to take the risk so my users can interact with assholes.
My instance is hosted in Germany and does not seem to defederate from hexbear, I’m subscribed to !history@hexbear.net from this account.
I’m sorry to hear that, you should fix that.
I don’t want it to. I think instance admins should be defederating from spambot farms, but not much more than that; if there’s a chance some of its users want to read it, they should allow its users to.
That is, I want my instance admins to engage in moderation, but not censorship. I think defederating from extremist politics (whether far-left or far-right) is usually censorship, not moderation.
That’s not what censorship means. As per defenderating from spambot farms… That’s half of hexbear really
If that is so, I have yet to notice it in the wild.
Hexbear isn’t driven by real people, it’s a politically-motivated, organized effort to spread disinformation.
So basically spambots are fine as long as they are spouting something political?
That’s the opposite of what they said.
They were founded after being kicked off reddit, then self isolated from the fediverse for years, creating the echoiest of echo chambers. It’s like those Appalachian families that were so isolated they basically developed their own culture, language and all. They’ve spent too long “struggle sessioning” together and driven out any of the more reasonable users with their purity tests. They think they’re the “true” Lemmy users and only refederated to “spread the word” and antagonize all the “liberals” (read: anyone that’s not 100% with them). The one thing I dislike about my server is that they haven’t defederated from that place.
It’s like those Appalachian families that were so isolated they basically developed their own culture, language and all.
Very apt description. You forgot the inbreeding part; very much relevant for Hexbear.
One note, “liberal” to them is synonymous with “nazi,” and they do actually, openly, want to kill you for being one (from this comment alone lol, and me too, and everyone else they label liberal). They’re losers who will never succeed in revolution, and most of them won’t do anything beyond cry online, but they should still be considered dangerous and untrustworthy as one of them is liable to pull some dumb shit in the name of their religion and their god Marx (yes it is a religion if they treat it like one.)
It’s like those Appalachian families that were so isolated they basically developed their own culture, language and all.
The fediverse has eyes.
and antagonize all the “liberals” (read: anyone that’s not 100% with them).
Yup
Thank you! You seem like a pre-Reddit-fallout-lemmy-user :)
I specifically chose my instance because it’s not blocking or blocked by too many instances. I like the input from most sides, but will not comment much on hexbear posts I guess. Not worth it.
I mean… Fuck liberals though
Any server federated with them is unusable as far as I’m concerned.
purity tests
What purity test exactly do you feel is too much? Respecting pronouns? Not supporting capitalism? Not doing racism? I’m not aware of anything they ban for that any reasonable leftist shouldn’t pass.
Found the hexbearian. 🤦🏼♂️
I’m not aware of anything they ban for that any reasonable leftist shouldn’t pass.
Not sucking Xi’s or Putins dick for one, tankie
Are you new to the internet?
It’s a combination of tankies and some more level headed leftists. They do have a decent proportion of OK users and the occasional decent meme, but the frequent genocide denialism and too many tankies have resulted in a lot of blocks and bans.
The “Just Kidding, but maybe not” kind of memes are both common in the tankie group as well in the right-wing group, which makes me thing it’s just the same people with different costumes, also known as a reskinned model.
Sounds like political compass shit, left or right, but primarily in the “authoritarian” top half
The political compass has got to be the most bullshit metric, I’m according to the compos a left libertarian. It doesn’t account for theory and for people who are marxist and understand that communism has not yet materialised. Anyway just a slight annoyance i have.
“reskinned model”, lol, interesting application of the concept. I like.
If you go far enough left, you end up back on the right.
Lol I literally got banned from ml for “horseshoe theory”
I would argue authoritarian ‘leftism’ is just a misnamed right wing ideology wearing the sheepskin of socialism, where as Anarchism / Libertarian Socialism is the ‘real’ far left.
Horseshoe theory
Authoritarians are authoritarian first. Left or right is an afterthought. No horseshoes required.
That is the base of the horseshoe theory.
Only if you have a juvenile concept of political Spectrum. That only extends across one dimension. Leninists are barely nominally left-wing. In practice most of them are State capitalist and not at all left wing.
In practice social Democrats and even Democratic socialists tend to be more left-leaning than leninists. And don’t feel a reactionary need to Slaughter or imprison those that disagree with them regularly. I mean if we are going by the providing social benefit to your chosen class of people qualifies a socialism. Then that would make the Nazis socialist. Which they most definitely we’re not.
Yes, the theory comes from the superficial observation that the actions of the nominal extremes look very similar. And when your head is being crushed by the boot of authoritarianism you don’t care if it is the right foot, or the left foot wearing it.
At one time there were many concepts of what Socialism is, and at the time nazism was A socialism, of course completely opposite of the concepts that survived.
Hardly. Lennonism still exists. It’s highly similar. In fact Lenin and Stalin helped Hitler invaded Poland. And exterminated their own ethnic polish population in Russia. Leninists still defend these actions to this day and hypocritically criticize “the west”.
Why would democratic socialists be less left-leaning than social democrats?
The order was not meant to be significant. And purely just a construct of a stream of consciousness speech to text. Though you aren’t wrong.
The problem is that the tankies are running the instance and get off on banning anyone that doesn’t toe the line of the party ideology.
Please remember that some people don’t know the lingo yet.
New people for example. New people who might come to this thread trying to learn about the different instances.
They’ve got Google.
I’m sort of new to Lemmy, having only been here a few months, and I started my first account here in world, the one I am commenting with.
What I found is that world has many cool and fun and interesting communities, but for news ( world or USA centered) is really centralist USA based. World has cut off access to many other cool and interesting communities that may have different viewpoints here and there.
I think the few experiences by trolls here from other communities is more of a walled garden thing, and if world has a more inclusive mix this would solve a lot of issues .
Me migrating to another instance still allows me to participate here in world, and I simply ignore what I don’t like here and elsewhere.
Honestly, world has as many issues with gatekeeping and power hungry mods as instances and the only way to get the full lemmy experience is to pick and chose what fits best with oneself
Yup, that’s pretty much spot on. I don’t really have a problem with .world myself. I do hear a lot of complaints about admin powertrips, but I’ve never used .world so I have not experienced this myself.
I think the few experiences by trolls here from other communities is more of a walled garden thing, and if world has a more inclusive mix this would solve a lot of issues .
You say be more inclusive of tankies and I say learn about the paradox of tolerance.
It’s not wall to wall tankees , this is only a minority. Which for the non tanker, can be avoided and ignored.
I was talking more of a general problem by deciding what I wanted to censor myself rather than letting others do it for me. Baby and bath water analogy and all that.
And this extends way beyond tankees and piracy.
And since people are talking about hexbear, it does have the best Syrian news coverage
I feel the same but ive given up on Lemmy. Probably need to find another platform for more grown up discussions.
Even reddit is far better. Hate to say it but it’s true.
Tell us if you find a better alternative.
You won’t
Its a people problem, not a platform problem.
I know. But there are different platforms catering to different people, interests etc. I’m part oft some Linux, Free Software, special interest forums. And there definitely are communities with a very different atmosphere… So I wouldn’t say it’s impossible just because people are people.
If you call out genocide denialism you get banned. That’s enough for me to consider it wall to wall tankies
Yep. If you have nine tankies sitting at a table and a person joins them you have 10 tankies sitting at the table. It works the same as it does for fascists.
It’s like saying that there we’re good people in Nazi germany. Therefore we should have tolerated Hitler. Why?
If you call out genocide denialism you get banned.
Which is the reason I stopped participating in some of world’s news and political communities, but because of a different genocide.
But I certainly did not go running to a community that promoted denial of other crimes. Instead I use the power of lemmy to pick and chose healthy communities.
Each instance has communities which are toxic.
I just don’t get all the anti-hexbear hate I see on other Lemmy servers. Questioning your mainstream/western/capitalist beliefs and arguing about it shouldn’t be ground for blocking them. I have yet to see any egregious behavior from them. Sure, I see somewhat outrageous takes on their own hosted communities, but have yet to see them cross the line on other servers.
Setting aside the content of their comments, I have often found their commenting style to be obnoxious or rude. They’re free to do their thing of course, but since I’m not into it, I’ve blocked that instance. Over time I’ve seen fewer and fewer comments from hexbear users, and I imagine that’s because some instances have chosen to defederate from them.
Yes, a lot of instances have blocked them, and I have yet to see a proper justification for it, other than that they confront people’s beliefs. As for being obnoxious or rude, I would love to see some example exchanges that make people think that. Unfortunately that has been difficult to come by so far. From what I have seen, they call people liberals, fascists, etc, and in turn people call them tankies, etc. Seems fairly even to me so far.
I don’t have sample exchanges at the ready, but I take issue with the gigantic stickers, the unwarranted confrontational tone, and the childish namecalling.
I understand that the gigantic stickers thing was actually a bug that has been fixed several Lemmy versions ago. I haven’t seen a giant sticker/emoji from hexbear in quite a while. I can sort of understand what you’re saying about the confrontational tone and namecalling though.
It’s a firehouse of falsehood kind of thing. Fragment people’s concept of reality to the point where people can’t even have a conversation.
The “question your beliefs” crowd is just people trying to create an alternate (and false) narrative so they can control you.
And that’s all hexbear ever does. People not as naive as you are about these things find them to be a waste of time and they do nothing other than interrupt actual conversations based in reality. Which isn’t healthy for a discussion forum.
I suspect that your perspective of the world (geopolitically speaking) is very different from mine, so it would probably not be a constructive use of our time for either of us to go into the details of what you wrote.
Tribalism is a hell of a drug, and generally speaking people don’t like it when you support fascists that aren’t on your team.
That said, I don’t think my instance is federated with them so I only see their comments in rare circumstances, and even then half their takes are straight from RT
According to https://midwest.social/instances, it does not appear that your instance has blocked hexbear (see blocked tab), so your not seeing much of them seems to reinforce the idea that blocking them doesn’t seem justified. (Edited for clarity).
It’s where r/chapotraphouse went after it got banned from reddit.
That sub was so disappointing. I stumped upon it by mistake one day, thinking that I’d find cheapo trap house music there. It sounded like a fun genre to listen to, like back in the early 2010s when brostep was huge. Miss those days…
I miss old school dubstep, brostep took the scene and made it into a monster energy drink ad.
Just block people you don’t want to interact with. My instance isn’t even federated with Hexbear but there are still people fitting that description. And plenty of folks there didn’t fit that description.
Can’t say I’ve noticed a problem tbh.
I can’t either.
Me neither. Of course I have the instance blocked and every user I see comment; so that probably helps.
Different instance, different ideology.
Example: there used to be a nazi insrance called exploding-heads.com (or was it .net?anyways, doesnt matter), basically you just dont interact with them, eventually they got defedersted by many instances.
Lemmygrad and Hexbear are Marxist Leninists, the same ideology of USSR and China. Get it now?
If you disagree, just block their instance in your user settings.
Unfortunately, blocking an instance in settings don’t block their users from commenting in other instance’s communities. So you gotta either (1) use an app to block the users too, or (2) find an instance that defederates them.
Ahhh, that’s what the alt-right instance was called. Thank you. I was consistently getting hexbear and exploding heads crossed in my head. For … some reason.
While most users on hexbear are MLs, there’s still contingents of anarchists, like 2 trots, and some other left ideologies.
What I really like about lemmy is the system critical mentality.
I don’t have a problem with people having different political ideologies. But I think that constructive discourse is in everyone interest. These people dgaf. They are everything but constructive.
Regardless of ideology, there are just some people with whom you will never be able to have a rational discussion.
Tankie authoritarians…maga incels…the block button works on them all.
you should go ask them
Thankfully those of us on world have not had to deal with them for the better part of a year. There’s so much wrong there it’s kind of hard to know where to begin.
All I will really say for now is that they are perfect anti advocates for the things at the surface level they advocate for.
You would think having a healthy discourse and talking to each other, exchanging ideas would be better to proliferate a certain ideology.
All they do is try to insult or demand one is an all knowing being. Some read my comment and assume I’m from us and have to know every agency there is.
If they want to bring their ideologies out there they should stop trying to be destructive. All they accomplish is a negative image of their movement.
It’s like a 14 yo has learned about communism and is now super edgy towards everybody because he thinks he’s hacked the system.
The thing is they see anything remotely right of them as equal to being a card carrying SS Nazi. They have no capacity to consider shades of gray, incremental progress, etc. It’s all or nothing, fuck you if you don’t abide.
If you aren’t dogmatically against absolutely positively every single detail of life in the west, you aren’t good enough.
They existed on their own Lemmy instance for years before federating at some point last year.
So, they likely had their own way of interacting, commenting, moderating etc that worked for them, that they had used/built/developed themselves (I mean systems & rules, not software) for years.
And they federated shortly after the Reddit API exodus.
So an echo chamber of extreme left wing users suddenly getting to interact with a whole bunch of new people, and an inrush of more mainstream users. It made for an interesting 6 or so months.I haven’t had any bad interactions with them directly, however I have seen and disagreed with a lot of their behaviour.
Not sure if I have their instance blocked, or if my instance has defederated them.Certain authoritarian ideologies and well, ideologies in general. Depend on rejecting ideas and evidence. Ideologies are ideal, but not real. So it tends to devolve into shouting and name calling. Leninists hypocritically haranguing liberals and vice versa etc.
I would definitely be down for some anarco communism. But I think it’s offensive to repeat the misnomer that ML is communism. Or ever has, ever will lead to communism. Anyone who looks to enact change through brutal, murderous suppression via a vanguard party. Could hardly exude a more juvenile thinking vibe. That “it’s okay/good when we do it” BS.
Weird how an ideology that depends on rejecting ideas and evidence keeps adapting to new evidence and contexts.
I wonder why Cuban marxism is so different than Chinese marxism which is different from Soviet marxism, which is different from every south american country’s marxisms.
One might even think they’re taking a Scientific approach to Socialism.
Interesting how in every case, they betray their anarchist allies as soon as they get even a feeble hold of state power. There must be a really good peer reviewed paper that conclusively suggests that must be done. Scientifically.
It’s like a 14 yo has learned about communism and is now super edgy towards everybody because he thinks he’s hacked the system.
Yes. Exactly.
.world ain’t exactly the glass hill to throw stones from yathink?
No server is. All of them are imperfect. However world is better than hex or grad. It is a simple fact. Regardless of whether you like it. Granted it is a low bar. Being heavily devoted to a heavily disproven ideology sort of puts you on the back foot to start with. But leninists have never let that stop them. But we absolutely do get a mix here on world since it isn’t an echo chamber. Leninists and fascists alike.
Being heavily devoted to a heavily disproven ideology
China is the largest economy in the world and has brought nearly a billion people out of poverty. Within a single lifetime, the USSR went from peasant farmers experiencing regular famine to putting people in space. And then capitalism brought back famine in the 90s. Cuba has a longer life expectancy than America.
Well when you kill a bunch of your people to do it, kinda negates the whole argument, eh?
They killed far fewer people under siege than capitalism does when it’s running entirely unopposed and with half the planet being immiserated for its benefit. Every year capitalism causes about 846,000 excess deaths in America alone.
Thankfully those of us on world have not had to deal with them for the better part of a year.
.world was never federated with hexbear, .world defederated “preemptively, as a last resort”
This perception is common on .world because some liberals have been lying about hexbear to encourage censoring the left even before then.
Hahahaha, many of us have had first hand experience of hex - they attack people for the littlest ring, insult, denigrate, etc.
So stop your gaslighting.
What little thing are you being attacked for? The worst I’ve experienced was being called an atlanticist in a discussion on North Korean military preparedness.
For all you people out there in TV land, this user is a serial shitposter who deliberately misinterprets everything they read. Very “oh you like waffles? Just admit you hate pancakes” behavior. It goes without saying that this interpretation is disingenuous at best.
I’m not sure if the “this interpretation” reference is about the “preemptive defederation as a last resort” or the “lying” bit, but the first doesn’t need an interpretation because it was stated in the post:
Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected. We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons.
The “lying” bit… I’m not sure where that comes from. It’s not the best “informed rhetoric,” that’s for sure.
The most obvious lie being claiming that hexbear was federated with lemmy.world and were just so awful they had to be defederated.
If the opposition has inconvenient facts, just tell the audience opposition is an asshole you shouldn’t listen to.
Which is exactly what you do, so well done on eating your own dog food.
I already identified your MO, I don’t need you to describe it to me. Take your L and begone, you bother me.
I must have misremembered lemmygrad then. Same difference. I’ve encountered hexbears on other servers. It’s one of many reasons I don’t log into Midwest.social for instance. Well more that their hardware is overloaded. But federation with grad and hex is still a good reason.
Quoting your other comment:
China is the largest economy in the world and has brought nearly a billion people out of poverty. Within a single lifetime, the USSR went from peasant farmers experiencing regular famine to putting people in space. And then capitalism brought back famine in the 90s. Cuba has a longer life expectancy than America.
If it talks like a tankie and quacks like a tankie…
Inb4 tankie I think hexbear is pretty cool
Demented illogical people. Also angry and bloodthirsty. Best to not interact. Waste of time.
