Also might be the most unethical coffee in the world too.
I read once that a major reason the coffee is supposed to be good, is that the animals (in the wild) tend to seek out the ripest, healthiest coffee beans to eat. They’re abundant (prior to human intervention), so why settle for less?
But then we cage them and force-feed them whatever, so they’re just medium (or low) quality beans to start with. So even if you look past the cruelty, it’s not even the quality of coffee the reputation suggests.
Iirc correctly the monkey cats ( or however they are called ) actually just prefer a specific coffee plant that is more rarely used as the ones used for the vast amount of coffee in the world ( e.g. robusta or arabica). However, if the beans of this variation are used directly, it tastes exactly the same. There is a scientific paper about this. Long story short: people are drinking shat out coffee for no good reason. What is even worse, it is tried to hold these monkey cats in cages to produce more of this coffee. Again for no good reason. But people fall for the marketing pr gang that the coffee is handpicked by those animals, digested and shat out and they would not go for “yeah we need just to use another plant” because it wouldn’t be so exklusive anymore…
What type of bean? I’d love to try an ethical roast of it.
Can you remember anything about the paper? Authors, journals, anything?
Aha da hat wohl noch jemand methodisch inkorrekt gehört, wollte gerade genau das gleiche schreiben ^^
What do you mean? Force feeding caged animals to shit coffee beans isn’t ethical?
Vast majority of it is just cheap coffee labeled to be this and marked up for tourists / gift market. Have tried it, just tastes like cheap old coffee. It’s not something genuinely sought after by coniseurs.
That makes this even dumber. If it actually had a good taste i could sort of understand it, in a honey sort of way. Sounds like it’s just a silly novelty.
It’s always about the story. Same reason restaurants get 2 and 3 michelline stars. It’s about how pretentious and fancy you can make everything surrounding the meal and not about the meal itelsef.
I’ve eaten at a 2 star Michelin restaurant. It was definitely theater and not a meal. The Menu is one of the best dark humor movies I’ve ever seen because it’s honestly not that far off lol
One star restaurants are the way. They usually have been so focused on their cuisine at that point they haven’t yet become super pretensious. Plus you actually have a shot at getting a table at these.
I really liked that movie!
Loved it as well. My girlfriend and I will sometimes say Yes Chef when one of us asks the other for help with something.
I ate at a restaurant that sold this stuff. It was $85 a cup. I can appreciate a good cup of coffee but never at that price (monetary or cruelty).
I saw it in a torréfacteur in Paris, it was about €70 for 250g of beans
They must’ve taken you for a right mug 😂
It’s done for the aromatic flavors.
Shit flavours???
Hmmm, you can really smell the compost
Yep! I first learned about it from The Bucket List…
Kopi luwak, also known as civet coffee, is a coffee that consists of partially digested coffee cherries, which have been eaten and defecated by the Asian palm civet (Paradoxurus hermaphroditus). The cherries are fermented as they pass through a civet’s intestines, and after being defecated with other fecal matter, they are collected.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_luwak
It tastes smoother and is good. Their digestion of the beans strips the outer layer of the bean and changes the flavor.
Is it better? Not really. I have had it in Bali from a farm and it was very smooth. Turkish coffee is better.
It’s also animal cruelty.
It’s no more than animal cruelty, then any type of livestock farming. What the fuck do you think you get your bacon from? You think the pigs are happy in overcrowded, dirty farms? Do you think the chickens that lay eggs are happy to be confined inside a tiny cage covered in their own shit? You think cows like to eat feed corn day in and day out shoved full of antibiotics? Do you think any of the animals that we use for any type of products are happy to be slaughtered after being fattened up?
If you’re gonna argue animal cruelty, you better stop eating all animal products, and become a vegan. Better yet why don’t you farm your own food and don’t buy anything that comes from modern agriculture because all that shit is covered in pesticides, GMO’s, and all kinds of other nasty shit.
Do you really think the best way for the world to change is adopting an all or nothing attitude?
What improves the planet more? 1 person becoming hardcore vegan or 1000 people eating meat one day a week instead of seven?
See the problem?
Not at all. Random8847’s dipshit comment is just so smug and whiney.
Every bit helps, however the corporations are really the ones we have to force to change.
If you haven’t noticed having everybody recycle, hasn’t really done shit either. The corporations that pollute really environment cause in the majority of damage yet we’re telling regular every day people it’s their fault and they should do their part.
You literally told them that if they’re gonna argue animal cruelty they’d better stop eating all animal products…
Nobody mentioned corporations until you either, for all we know 8847 might do everything you said in your comment anyway.
A four worded comment is smug, whiney and dipshit? Man, something is really wrong with you. Get some help.
Dude. Go back to reddit. Lemmy really doesn’t need this kind of hyper aggressive stuff. Be better.
Most people can tell you exactly who (other than themselves) needs to change. This includes the people who work for the corporations, do business with the corporations and invest in the corporations.
Separately, we can each only control our own choices.
We delegate responsibility to the people who tell us (possibly correctly) that they’re required by law to make decisions based on short term profitability.
So what you’re essentially saying is the government needs to change the laws. Until the laws change, no one will do anything different. And since the government or essentially behold into the corporations, just not gonna happen.
What I’m saying is that humans have free will, but have internalized concepts that tell they they’re stuck. That someone else must act.
Wtf dude. You give me all of this for a comment with four words?
You either have some vested interests with kopi luwak or you have some serious anger issues. Either ways you need to calm your tits down.
And FYI, all you said might be true but that’s still no reason for anyone to justify kopi luwak. Yes, there are a lot of other ways in which animal cruelty is happening in this world, but if everyone keeps blaming each other then none of it will ever stop.
Nah because the animals are fed exclusively coffee berrys and are extremely malnourished
At least in normal farms it’s encouraged to properly feed the animals
Also why are you so angry Who hurt you lol
Someone doesn’t like being made aware of their terrible decisions
Two droppings, one cup.
Its a legit thing
You can make some for yourself.
Step 1) Eat a bunch of coffee beans
Step 2)
You can make some for yourself.
Number 1) Eat a bunch of coffee beans
Number 2)
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Certified coffee snob here: We laugh at the people who think Kopi luwak is good.
I’d imagine that’s mutual
Nah, whoever drinks that shit (no pun intended, really) has lost the right to laugh at anyone.
That’s some major shit 😐
Honestly, I wish I could lay a snake half the size of my body just to say I did
The coffee was surprisingly pretty good
Granted I don’t exactly run in the conspicuous consumption crowd, so maybe I’m out of the loop. Cope Luwak was a thing I heard about in the late 90s but have never seen in the world, ever.
I suppose this is one of those products that has a reputation for being expensive so rich people buy it to flex and that creates some demand. Like gold pizzas or whatever other dumb shit gaudy nouveau riche assholes are doing to get attention.
I’m sure there are places in the world where you can forage the shits and have something unique, but I highly doubt that what makes its way to fintech bros in manhattan has any real value at all. Just a cruel gimmick.
There are apps that cost thousands of dollars that display a jpeg that say “You are rich” and rich people buy it to flex to other rich people.
They have too much money.
I think that’s less common than you assume
No, that’s like any gacha game ever
Thats for pngs of anime girls. Totally different /s
It’s was a big thing when the Apple app store launched.
Stephen Fry gave some to Prince Charles iirc
Edit. It was weasel vomit according to this
https://www.tumblr.com/whitepajamas/1491643197/alan-davies-is-it-true-that-you-gave-prince
Apparently I’m behind on the latest in coffee trends
I wish it was the latest. This animal abuse has been going on a long time.
It’s actually pretty old, now. I just can’t believe people are willing to drink the stuff, better or not.
Curiosity
At least by a few decades
Sometimes I question myself if we are really intelligent beings. Who the hell thought of making coffee out of a monkey’s butt? or whatever that is.
My guess is, since they eat coffee cherries, some farmer had his harvest ruined and washed the seeds out from the shit in desperation, just to get told it’s the best coffee somebody has ever had.
You can squeeze the water out of elephant crap and drink it. Humans figured out fermentation a long time ago. This isn’t too much of a stretch given humans also know that animal poop is usable in other ways agriculturally.
You can also use it to make an organic fleshlight.
Delet plz
Lol that would be dumb af, of course it’s a cat.
the story I heard (from an Indonesian dude) was the colonial plantations didn’t allow locals to drink coffee. They noticed the civits only ate the ripest coffee berries… bla bla bla, shit coffee was the only choice and it was really good?
Same energy as the people who invented birds nest soup
The “who made beverage X from Y’s excrement” has been a question for ages.
to be fair, koalas do it so… maybe the great ancestor we lucked out with were avid koala watchers.
I’ve always said coffee smells like shit
Agreed, it’s awful
You’re awful! Coffee is wonderful! You just don’t understand it! I mean regular coffee not cat poop coffee…that’s just weird.
It’s just like, my opinion man, you’re allowed to like your poo beans
How can a creature have shit like that?
I don’t know the history of the photo, but I know some Kopi Luwak ‘producers’ force feed the civets coffee cherries to maximise production. So I can’t say this is a natural shit for a civet, because it could be human induced.
Imagine being forced to shit a log, so that some fancy pants can have exotic coffee
Considering how the civets treat coffee cherries, this would be like if some aliens were forcefeeding you glazed donuts for the same purpose. Abuse in many cases, but it started with a natural attraction being exploited. Ethical sources still uses attracted wild civets or cage free farms
I’m Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite comment on lemmy.
“Hey! Everyone! This website discriminates against the poor!”
Eat a bunch of whole coffee beans and you probably will too.
It actually comes out more like coffee grounds
Man looking at that shit I bet it feels amazing after pinching that out
I have a bag of this stuff but I hate coffee and poo so I haven’t tried it.
I always thought coffee already tasted like shit, so…
Maybe the shit cancels out the coffee flavor
I’ve had this coffee before. Doesn’t taste any different than regular coffee
