Kelsey Grammer sounded curt this morning when he brusquely told a BBC Today program interviewer that he still supports Donald Trump but, according to his interviewer, this curtness doesn’t tell the full story.
Grammer’s interviewer Justin Webb said the Frasier star was “perfectly happy” to go on talking about his support for the former POTUS, “the Paramount+ PR team, less so.”
Grammer has previously expressed support for Trump – a relatively rare position for a TV and movie star to take – and he also used his BBC interview to back Roseanne Barr, another self-confessed Trump supporter.
Frasier was on my backlog of stuff to watch. It’s nice when my backlog clears itself like this.
Original Frasier is still one of the all time amazing shoes. And that is almost entirely because of the “supporting cast” of David Hyde Pearce, John Mahoney, Jane Leeves, and Peri Gilpin. It is 100% still worth watching and it is even clear what episodes/seasons they were working around Grammer being coked out of his mind or otherwise problematic.
Its not quite Person of Interest’s (paraphrasing only because I can’t look up the specific wording right now) “he is like a dog that pissed everywhere and wouldn’t stop talking about hitler” mess, but Grammer also generally seems more like a dumbass Bush-era Republican as opposed to a full alt-right lunatic. He is a piece of shit who has condoned a LOT of hate, but is also “a product of his time” as it were.
As for new Frasier? I am a lot less interested in watching that. Mostly because, as so many of us point out, “They did a Frasier spinoff starring the worst character”.
But OG Frasier? The show increasingly became focused around Niles (which makes sense since Niles was a lot closer to what Cheers-era Frasier actually was) and David Hyde Pearce put on multiple master classes as he and the writers somehow managed to perfectly capture “the adult millennial” years before we even existed. And so many of the interactions with Martin (Mahoney) hit so much harder as you have lived a lot longer and had to acknowledge the failings of others. Daphne and Roz were often stuck in comic relief mode, but Leeves and Gilpin still kick ass when they are given a chance to shine. And, piece of shit that he is, Grammer can pull off an epic monologue to close out an emotional arc and leave you on the verge of tears, right before you burst into laughter at the punchline.
“They did a Frasier spinoff starring the worst character”
This is amazing, gonna use it
Yeah, it’s pretty crap. Are there any reboots that have the original cast and weren’t just plain horrible? I’m thinking Matrix 4, but that worked because it was a parody of itself.
He is a piece of shit who has condoned a LOT of hate, but is also “a product of his time” as it were.
We’re still in his time. I don’t think we should excuse people by saying they’re a product of their time until they’ve been dead for a while.
Its not excusing so much as acknowledging the different tiers of asshattery.
If you want to go full zero tolerance: more power to you. But you also are going to more or less have nothing to watch
A bunch of anal retentive closet homosexuals eating cheese in a cramped apartment, yeah top comedy right there.
if you support Trump, you’re a traitor
And a gullible fucking moron. But mainly a traitor.
Personally I voted Osama bin Laden in the primaries. At least the fucker never lied to me about his agenda.
He seems to have calmed down lately as well.
Even better, he’s a moderate centrist! What’s not to like, or dislike!
Jokingly votes for an actual terrorist, wasting their vote – calls people traitors. What a Lemmy moment.
You do realize I didn’t actually vote for a dead terrorist, right?
“Kelsey! Stop telling people the truth about yourself! Paramount+ is hemorrhaging money!”
When wasn’t it?
Paramount Plus is so desperate to keep me as a customer that they keep giving me free months of service, without advertising. I just threaten to end my subscription and they’re all like, “Augh! Please come back! Look, you can have two more months on us… just don’t go!”
There’s nothing quite as pathetic as a massive corporation in tears begging you for your money.
Have some fucking decency, you tried to rip me off every way from here to Saturn for decades, now you come begging for handouts? Maybe cut down on avocado toast and get a second job.
I knew a guy who kept getting bribed with free DVDs by AOL
I don’t know, but they’re worried about it now and they were okay with it when they started.
All the media companies wanted to be Netflix and so they invested heavily at the same time and flooded the market. Then wanted make more money so they added advertising. Now they ask why everyone left.
Paramount+ invested in Star Trek but hasn’t really seen a return on investment. The draw of Netflix was a variety of content and no commercials.
I know that. They’re desperate for hits beyond Star Trek. The original plan was new Star Trek every week all year long. Now it’s no Star Trek for months at a time with one show ending (Discovery) and one animated show shuffled off to Netflix. That leaves Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks, and while they seem to be popular, it doesn’t seem to be translating into subscriptions and they don’t seem to have any other Trek shows in the pipeline.
What else do they have? Reboots. A new Spongebob, a new Frasier, a new Beavis and Butthead. No one is drawn to those. And their one attempt at a big budget sci-fi epic that wasn’t Star Trek, Halo, was a complete flop.
I subscribed to it for Star Trek but I couldn’t justify that any longer because I really wasn’t watching anything else.
To be fair the Beavis and Butthead reboot is excellent if you liked the original. I went in with low expectations and was very pleasantly surprised.
That said, it will definitely not save Paramount.
CBS would make more money selling those streaming rights.
Yeah I don’t understand why they don’t just sell the rights to Netflix or something I’m sure Netflix would buy the right if it was an option. They have had interest with Star Trek in the past but then there was a big falling out because CBS did it badly.
They seem to have got a grip now.
I seriously have no idea why everyone was stupid enough to make their own version of netflix, and not expect the market to be flooded. The second Disney announced Disney plus, I knew that was the end of streaming and the return of piracy.
The only streaming surface I use is Tubi because they have the most ethical business model, I watch their ads, they show me free movies and shows. They don’t double dip, and as long as they don’t, it will be the only site I don’t use Adblock on
I don’t think Netflix was ever profitable. Streaming just doesn’t seem to be profitable. There were pressured into it because Netflix had a huge market cap (shareholder value!) but it was never profitable.
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I could hardly stand Kelsey Grammer before I found out that he was a magat, now I want to throw stuff at him
I respected him as a performer and enjoyed his work. That’s now in the past.
The real question you have to ask is why he supports Trump. Greed or hate?
¿Por que no los dos?
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Why not both?
I never liked Cheers or Frasier, but he seemed like an okay actor overall. I mean you wouldn’t have Sideshow Bob without him.
That doesn’t make him less of a shithead though.
Clearly, the writers just followed him around and wrote down what he said whenever they had a Sideshow Bob episode.
Probably yes.
The real mystery is how did they get Kevin Sorbo to play Hercules, I mean surely a religious fanatic like him is horrified knowing that he played a pagan God
Because christians never really stopped worshipping that golden calf. They all went along with Moses because he got super pissed, but behind his back they were all “that golden calf though…”
Indeed, I’m not a Christian but I have a close Catholic friend of mine, and although I no longer believe in supernatural, I wish I did but can only Chase rainbows so long until you realize there’s no gold, but one thing we definitely see eye to eye on is that we want to kick anyone who preaches Prosperity Gospel in the goddamn teeth, and then the dick, and then the teeth again, and then kick their ass until their head falls off then kick the head and then kick the ass again because I don’t think it’s learned it’s lesson
Amen
And I just lost all respect for him, along with any desire to ever see him on screen ever again.
Grammer never went full “Kirk Cameron” with his professional career, but he’s always been super right-wing, and the guy has some notable bible thumper and anti-abortion flicks on his IMDB page. He’s done a decent job of keeping his fringy beliefs out of the press.
I disagree with his stand but think it doesn’t make sense to cut him off. Let him explain it, let him dig his own hole, let the ideas be questioned. It’s the BBC not Fox.
They’re not calling for him to be “cancelled”. They’re just not going to view his stuff anymore. Any individual doesn’t need a reason to stop doing something they’ve engaged in willingly. Unless you didn’t mean to reply to the comment you did.
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He only mostly supports the insurrection and attempted overthrow of our democracy, so it’s cool.
Frasier is so old, Trump is the only way he can maintain an insurrection.
They mostly insurrect at night. Mostly.
Fuck Kelsey Grammer. I hope his reboot fails miserably.
It’s not very good and I say that as someone who likes the original series a lot.
Anyone can support anyone they like, but it speaks to your character at the very least.
Dude literally led an insurrection to overthrow democracy, wake the fuck up with this nonsense?
His 18-year old sister was murdered by an african-american serial killer in 1975. Perhaps that did something for his political position.
Still a bit weird to be pro-Trump after his attempted insurrection. But that’s tribalism for you.
Wow, I’ve never changed my opinion on someone so fast before, that’s insane.
Me too and going cancel my Paramount plus account over it and boycott all his shows and movies.
🎶 “hey baby I hear this tool’s a fascist, a ghoul and a washed up joke… Mercy!” 🎶
He’s a MAGAt? Pathetic. What an asshole.
I didn’t know that until today. Really disappointing.
Loved the OG Frasier show. The new one is cringe as hell. Without Niles the show lost like 90% of its charm.
The show might’ve been named Frasier but Niles and Martin (dad) were absolutely crucial to the dynamic and success the show found. Without them it’s missing 2/3rd of the team and is just another sequel churned out by Execs with no idea how to make a good show and only interested in making another dollar.
His son in the show is fucking awful too. The character is written and acted totally unlikeable. And Niles’ son is cringey like Sheldon from BBT and I just cannot get into it. Doubt it will last.
Oh look, how fucking original, another waitress upcoming failing actress in a sitcom. Sure, this is not something every other sitcom already do. The only character I enjoyed on the new series is the other professor, that have an honest humble snobbism that works well as a Niles replacement instead if Niles son.
Yeah very much agree the professor is the bright spot in the ensemble.
If the Frasier reboot fails, will he have been cancelled?
If I never watch it, did it ever air?
That will definitely be blamed. Easily.
I had no idea he was such an asshat. I was so excited about him reprising Beast in the MCU’s X-Men. Maybe they can get David Hyde Pierce instead.
