I can’t wait to be one of the “I was part of the great Reddit migration” dudes when this lemmy stuff inevitably goes tits up in 15 years.
Jokes on us because in 15 years all the instances alive right now will probably be dead and there will be no proof beyond an archive lol
@remindme@mstdn.social 15 years
Hadn’t thought about how many people will come back to see their RemindMes on Reddit only to find deleted comments from people that left Reddit nuking their comments.
T̷h̵a̵t̴’̵s̸ ̴w̴h̴y̶ ̸I̸’̵m̶ ̶c̷o̷n̵s̷i̶d̷e̷r̴i̶n̶g̷ ̸r̸e̷p̴l̵a̵c̸i̷n̵g̷ ̶a̴l̵l̸ ̷m̵y̷ ̸R̶e̵d̶d̴i̵t̵ ̴c̵o̴m̸m̴e̴n̶t̷s̸ ̷w̴i̵t̴h̵ ̸g̸l̷i̴t̵c̴h̶ ̴t̸e̷x̷t̵.̸
(I toned it down to be nice, but it can get pretty crazy: https://lingojam.com/GlitchTextGenerator)
Did that bot rely on the API that got restricted?
I don’t remember if the bot would work at all, but I was referring to all the people that used one of those tools to delete their comments or mass edit them to something like “this message has been edited because fuck u/spez” or something like that.
Didn’t RemindMe bot use a 3rd party service?
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Wow, now that I think about it, it is quite scary. Hope that most instances stay alive
RemindMe! 15 years.
Oh, right, ☹️
@remindme@mstdn.social 5 minutes look what fedi can do
@can Here is your reminder!
Good too see you again, old buddy!
Make your own bot. With black jack and hookers.
Y’know what, screw the bot.
And that’s how to sex robot industry was created!
@remindme@mstdn.social 15 years
@CosmicSploogeDrizzle Ok, I will remind you on Monday Jul 12, 2038 at 2:35 PM PST.
lmao can’t remind me if my instance isn’t up
We’ll be fighting the water wars by 2038 anyway
laughs nervously in Canadian
15 years? This is all going to happen quickly. I give it 5.
That’s gonna be me. I am a bandwagon boy
Lemmy has been around for a while already, and is open source. It will go tits up like linux didn’t. Unless it get abandoned.
While I agree with the worry concerning corporations joining, I don’t really mind “normal” people joining though.
That being said, this is an incorrect use of the meme. The text on the two bottom panels are supposed to stay the same.
Sorry if I’m being pedantic.
No don’t stop. This is the kind of nerd shit I’ve missed!
We sure have arrived at panel 2 indeed. If it works better for your mind consider it a completely new meme template that happens to have the same visual outline, because this meme communicates exactly what I want to communicate :)
This is the first time I’ve seen a Papers Please meme, and it makes me so happy.
I can hear this image
I’m gonna spam this everywhere. Thank you!
God dammit Jorji, get it right.
Can you not expand comment images in Jerboa? I can’t read that and I can’t figure out how to make it bigger.
I can’t expand on Jerboa either, but it says
Protocol Violation: improper meme format
Same!
The neat part is they really can’t fuck it up. You can always run your own instance and defederate from a corporation causing problems. Eventually we’ll be getting the feature to block entire instances too so you won’t have to rely on your admin making that choice either.
They can’t “fuck it up”, but they can shove it back into irrelevancy.
Yes? Have you ever tried shoving something back from being on the internet?
You should ask XMPP how relevant it feels. Or Digg. Twitter? Reddit?
I think all an individual entity can do to push a protocol into irrelevancy, is not using it…
Well that’s easy enough when you have the numbers and the content or you buy it and don’t support it, zucc is trying to do it to twitter right now with threads, reddit did it to digg, reddit did it to reddit, , lemmy is doing it to Reddit, Google did it to XMPP, Microsoft has killed numerous budding technogies by driving them into obscurity, how many examples do you need?
Is there a GitHub issue tracking that feature?
It’s decentralized though. That’s literally the reason I believe in the Fediverse
The Internet was built to be a decentralised network, too.
So companies fucked up the internet, and people had to make a new internet inside the internet. And when companies fuck that up too, we’ll make a new internet inside that one!
Easy. Ban every company.
Easy. ~~Ban~~ Defederate every company.
FTFY. It’s FOSS. We can’t stop them from spinning up their own instances (See: Threads) but that doesn’t mean we have to play nicely with them.
Edit: Fuck it, I can’t get the ~~strikethrough~~ to work.
I swear it was working at one point and hasn’t worked for me recently either Maybe I’m misremembering.
Wait, threads is part of the federverse?? damn.
Not yet I think, but they plan to join.
It uses ActivityPub, but I don’t think it’s actually part of the fediverse yet. But it may be in the future.
It’s just
~~this~~which gives methis(for me anyway) when I look at your comment’s source it’s showing\~\~this\~\~This.
spoiler
Ah, it’s like being back in Reddit.
Test
YUPYUP
We have more control this time though… When the companies come, we can block them.
That’s why we need to abolish private ownership, all corporations must be collectively owned by the community.
Communism intensifies
China has some pretty cool jets that don’t like totally explode for no reason.
Wait isn’t the fediverse explicitly about private ownership?
It’ll be a lot harder for them with federated software, and when the free instances are all solidly established
They can still infiltrate them by buying their way into the admin/s pokets since maintaining servers is expensive.
maintaining servers is a lot more affordable when your website isn’t bloated with tracking and unnecessary features. It’s not realistic for a corporation to buy up a significant chunk of the fediverse anyways
It honestly doesn’t seem that expensive based on others talking about their hosting costs. The bigger instance will be more expensive but they would also have a lot more people who can easily handle the cost without needing external funds. That said some instance will go that way not for the server cost but for simply money in their pocket at which point you can just switch to another instance.
It gets more expensive if you strart a successful meme community with lots of data. Some big Mastodon servers already store gigabytes per hour. Even with Cloudflare the expenses can soon get pretty high.
But yes, everything else with Lemmy is just a few euros a month.
I still don’t understand why they aren’t just utilizing imgur and that catbox hosting service exclusively. Plenty of image/gif hosting options.
The current default installation, especially if using Ansible, doesn’t use any commercial image hosting services. You need to go out of the golden path to do so.
Even using an S3-compatible host is not in the default path: the files are stored to the server file system. So, yeah, maybe this is the reason. And of course, giving your content to a commercial entity is something people in the fediverse doesn’t like that much. Wasn’t the idea to get rid of these entities that can just be bought by a billionaire asshole and suddenly killing your community.
Any estimate on costs? Round figures?
My lemm.ee instance costs around €150-200 per month (as per our admin) which is a medium sized instance but it is extremely well maintained. But it’s certainly not 100s of millions of dollars, that’s for sure.
Someone made a thread specifically for that a while ago but don’t remember where or what the name was, sorry
Here’s hoping it stays sane and corpo free for a long time
Yeah anyone who thinks activityPub is immune to monetization is delusional.
How so, I’m curious. I’m new to this side of things.
Corporation owns reddit, owns twitter, owns meta, owns twitch and youtube.
Corporation cant own fediverse. Corporate interests could take over lemmy.world, or any other instance, but that doesnt give them the fediverse. They can block outside users from coming in, they can block inside users from going out, but they cant block outside users from eachother
It’s not that simple, take a look at this article: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
What a great warning! This sort of thing is why I think that we should try to have a more distributed userbase instead of everyone piling into one instance. I have nothing against @lemmy.world, but it being as big as it is can become a huge problem if its interests are ever compromised because defederation becomes infeasible when such a large portion of the userbase is in the instance everyone else wants to defederate.
I wonder if it is possible to add a feature to migrate your user account from one instance to another instance.
Put in some sanity checks, like minimum time on instance etc, optional application requirements.
Google was only able to do that because XMPP’s userbase was practically nonexistent by the time they pulled the plug. Google Talk had become such a hegemon that the overwhelming majority of XMPP interactions were between Google Talk users. Google had the option to keep tying themselves to a protocol that they don’t own to support access to a very small amount of users or develop their own system that they could do whatever they want with. Lemmy and Mastodon do not have that issue. Regardless of what Facebook does with Threads, Mastodon has millions of users and Lemmy reached over 300k. The majority of their users are unlikely to migrate their accounts over just to sell their souls to the Zucc. There is enough activity on Lemmy and Mastodon that many Threads users may make seperate accounts here should Threads eventually defederate, while the users of Lemmy and Mastodon simply go back to an existence without Facebook’s meddling. There’s not a situation where Threads can destroy Lemmy or Mastodon like there was with XMPP
Yeah, I’m a little confused by the doom-and-gloom regarding all this. Meta/etc. can only ruin the Fediverse if we let them. I really doubt most people currently on lemmy/kbin/mastodon are going to abandon the smaller instances in favor of a Big Corp instance, which IMHO is the big way they can ruin it (consolidate users from smaller instances and then pull the plug). I think there is even an opportunity here to really grow the Fediverse — smaller instances can (and should!) steal users from Big Corp instances.
Of course this may just be wishful thinking. With their track record, who knows what’s possible I guess. (For example, I fully expect non-meta users to be 2nd class citizens on a meta instance…)
Yeah I hate how my personal site on my personal servers is always in mark zuckerbergs hands. Wait what was the question?
Don’t be surprised if corporations bought out instances or whole development teams. Good thing new Inatances can be launched and the community can always fork the code and continue work.
I just wouldn’t use a corporate server. This here is more like old internet before the likes of google started to buy everything and consolidate the internet. Running a single server is not the same as a server farm in multiple countries.
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I started on lemme.world but it’s been getting hammered so I made a backup account on lemm.ee Yes when your feed is on local is the server you are on and all is all servers. It gets weirder though because you will also see posts from defederated servers, we can still comment like normal on them too but that server itself that’s defederated the people on that server will not be communicating with the rest of the federation.
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Sort of yes but it’s the communications that change they all can see whats on all servers but their server is only commenting with themselves or whom they are federated with. I’m still new to this as well and I believe this is how it works. But I know there’s something that has to do with the content being a copy across other servers, that part I’m still iffy on lol.
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I’m literally commenting from lemm.ee since we’re federated. It’s like I’m on my spaceship and you are on yours and we opened comms to each other.
@mino I already saw some adposts from coorperations here. But they werent pushed to me as no ones serves ads here.
I hope not. I remember a time in which you needed to know something in order to enjoy the Internet and I kinda hope this place remains less approachable by normies, but attractive to those who love technology. I feel this is like how IRC was in the 90s.
I think that Lemmy becoming more accessible to normies is a good thing. There’s no reason to gatekeep it, as it’s not the normies that mess up the site, it’s the greedy pricks that follow them and try to make a buck.
