In a conversation with Mike Solan, the head of the Seattle Police Officers’ Guild, Seattle Police Department officer and SPOG vice president Daniel Auderer minimized the killing of 23-year-old student Jaahnavi Kandula by police officer Kevin Dave and joked that she had “limited value” as a “regular person” who was only 26 years old.
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In fact, as we reported exclusively, Dave was driving 74 miles an hour in a 25 mile per hour zone and struck Kandula while she was attempting to cross the street in a marked and well-lighted crosswalk.
How the fuck do you say that a human life has “Limited Value”, and then not immediately have a “Are we the baddies?” moment
How the fuck do you say that a human life has “Limited Value”, and then not immediately have a “Are we the baddies?” moment
It’s what happens when your humanity has been trained out of you.
Also in this case I suspect racism
Yeah I thought the same thing when I saw the victim’s name. Really unfortunate too because human life has intrinsic value of course…
In order to be a baddie, you generally need to be super self-righteous. Cops are always self-righteous.
Seattle Police have known they are the baddies for a long time and it’s why they sign up for the job.
How is it police unions seemingly have more power than any other union? The writers are striking and that’s barely doing anything for them but the pigs? They just have to bat an eyelash and get what they want…
Because regular unions are there to safeguard the worker’s rights against abuse from employers.
Police unions are there to safeguard cops from facing discipline for murdering people.
Plus they don’t send the Pinkertons to bash people’s skulls in when it’s cops on the picket line.
And let’s not forget that law enforcement has been the primary tool of unionbusting from day 1.
Because they’re class traitors that enforce the rules of the status quo.
They’re massive for a start. Police have something like 60% Union membership. Compare that IT and service industries which are in the area of 3-6%. That gives them serious clout for lobbying legislation and anything else.
Unions are effective. Sadly this one i just happens to be working for a rotten gang.
Interesting. I guess I didn’t realize some industries that appear to only hire union actually hire both union and non.
AFAIK spd still reports overtime on paper forms, often long after the work was done.
https://crosscut.com/2016/04/seattle-police-department-out-of-control-overtime
SPOG is a stain on this city. They protect the worst and leave decent cops out to hang.
Because they have guns and apparently the ability to use them indiscriminately.
Why do cops have the power to just routinely turn off their body cams?
That should be limited to using the bathroom. If it gets turned off during regular duty, it should be presumed to mean something is being covered up because that is exactly what it means. There should be paperwork triggered every time it is turned off.
they impose invasive drug tests on people [as an extremely minor, parallel example], they don’t deserve a fucking bit of privacy
If you would allow that bathroom exception they would be pissing on corpses
Their badge ought to be a camera. If you aren’t running the camera, then you’re not a cop, your just a regular dude in a police officer costume.
If you have to take a urine test they’re watching you pee, so they should just let the camera roll and deal.
Mike Solan purposely put his address as the east precinct so that he could vote in that district. He does not live in Seattle. That is a felony. The SPD willingly vote for a felon to head their union.
I fucking hate SPOG.
Police and prosecutors are allowed to do that where I live by law. Maybe the same there?
That was his voting address. That is not legal here. OPA (the committee that reviews complaints against the police and recommend disciplinary action) recommended it be criminally investigated since it is a class C felony. SPD of course ignored that recommendation completely.
SPD of course ignored that recommendation completely
“Now, son, I don’t make the law. I just have 100% latitude to decide whether to enforce the law, several laws are written such that you can be convicted of felonies with only my testimony, and there are no consequences when I lie under oath.”
Wow, that seems strict, at least if the rule was going to be enforced.
Not sure that I would call that strict considering he was purposely trying to affect an election where he does not live. He is not a police officer, BTW. He is a shithead who blamed January 6th on BLM protesters despite six SPD officers being part of it.
Same here, but their true address is still held somewhere. It’s only the displayed address on a driver’s license that shows the police station/court. Listing it as their address for voting purposes probably is probably murky, and not explicitly allowed or explicitly illegal.
It is explicitly a class C felony. The OPA recommended it be criminally investigated and SPD completely ignored that.
Fair enough. Different states, different rules.
Give the guy that reported the conversation the raise of the guy(s) that were involved and didn’t report it. Also fire them. Reward the good behavior, punish the bad and we’ll stop saying ACAB.
Na, ACAB til we die. Policing should not exist as most crimes are a product of the existence those police uphold.
bonk off to commie jail
bonk against the wall
I’m sorry, but are you saying rape, murder of a spouse, child abuse, etc. are somehow due to the existence of policing? Is there any way you can possibly make me believe that? Please try, if you can, 'cause otherwise I’m just gonna think that I read some MORE total nonsense on the intent today
Typical cop evil. I expect that “just a regular person” translates to “not somebody important enough to actually pose a legal threat.” That is, not a cop, reporter, politician, celebrity, etc.
I don’t think you’re wrong, but I looked at her name and my first thought was that it was because she wasn’t white.
Oh no, these people would never call a non white “regular”
I dont think so, else he would have used a slur. So most probably he meant, person of no consequence.
Seattle PD has been under a consent decree for the last decade for over-use of force and racist practices. The decree is about to end (and the PD is petitioning to end it early), and the problem has not improved. It’s gotten worse.
There’s all this talk here (I’m a Seattleite) of how the police are trying to regain trust or are frustrated at the lack of trust, but they don’t take accountability for their actions.
10% of all homicides in Seattle are committed by the police. They don’t show up when you report a shooting.
I wonder why we don’t trust them.
I’m sorry, ten percent??? That’s insane. How the fuck has it not been dismantled?
That’s (partly) why they got put under consent decree a decade ago! But somehow, it’s ending even though they haven’t improved.
10% of all homicides in Seattle are committed by the police.
A union of serial killers
Back in the 1920s, Germany generated the most vile, most iredeemable “easy villains” that could be killed en masse in any heroic fictional media with hardly any thought to issues of morality. When real world wars are too complicated, involving multiple sides with their own form of blame, an uprising of the fourth reich in modern days is an easy villain.
I wonder if we’ve found a new one though.
In the video, taken in the early morning after Dave hit Kandula in a crosswalk while speeding to respond to a call from a man who believed he had taken too much cocaine, Auderer says he has talked to Dave and he is “good,” adding that ” it does not seem like there’s a criminal investigation going on” because Dave was “going 50 [mph]—that’s not out of control” and because Kandula may not have even been in a crosswalk. Auderer added that Dave had “lights and sirens” on, which video confirmed was not true.
In fact, as we reported exclusively, Dave was driving 74 miles an hour in a 25 mile per hour zone and struck Kandula while she was attempting to cross the street in a marked and well-lighted crosswalk.
Jail or worse, immediately.
It’s almost as if that cop has lost some of his humanity. Auderer, I mean. While this may be something that people can write off as “part of the job” it is unacceptable. Auderer needs to be put on indefinite mental health leave, and the rest of us need to have a long conversation about how we got here and what we’re going to do about it
If I were to kill someone on the job while driving a company vehicle 3x the speed limit, ignoring protocol and several laws, I wouldn’t be put on indefinite paid leave, and I’m willing to bet that you wouldn’t either.
It’s shameful that embarrassment is our path to any shred of accountability.
We are taking about two different cops
74 in a 25 zone, not using lights and sirens, killed someone, and being put on indefinite mental health leave - are you sure?
I’m talking about 2 different officers. The guy actually driving the car is not who I am talking about
What a great idea to staff your peacekeeping force exclusively with narcissists and sociopaths.
If you want get really mad and/or have a reddit account you want banned, just check r/protectandserve.
They’re lamenting how bad this makes them look, and how this will make policing harder.
There are some who are even agreeing with the officer, about how these “remarks” shouldn’t get him fired.
99% of cops make the rest look bad.
The 1% of good cops are either killed in the line of duty, fired or killed by other police. Making 100% of the cops bad.
All cops are bastards.
It was a joke. Yes, ACAB.
It’s a joke but it’s also a real rebuttle. It’s weird. An in-law relative of mine became a cop. So, I guess since he’s not a total jerk he’s part of the 1%… And yet, he’s going to find himself either doing what he’s told or he’s going to find himself out of a job or out of life. It’s just too big of a gang for one person to break up. The union is another issue entirely.
It looks bad because it is bad. Unfortunately it’s just par for the course and nothing will change, because we live in hell.
Just got immediately banned there. Those mods are keeping a close eye on that thread, lol.
There’s a disgusting amount of bootlicking in that thread. “I believe officer ‘whatshisname’ deserves a second chance” 🥺
He got his second chance, he fucked it up by opening his mouth.
He absolutely SHOULD get a second chance just like the one he gave Kandula.
This dude already has like five chances in his record as it is, he’s a real piece of shit.
Ghoulish.
Reducing the ‘value’ of a life to monetary terms just means it’s legal to kill them if you have the money.
Also, that shit should be disqualifying in people supposedly sworn to uphold the law
Can’t expect anything different from the police when both major parties will do nothing meaningful to hold them accountable. You want change? You have to vote for it.
o yea, lets choose between geriatric fascism or decrepid neoliberalism that oughtta change eveything
The problem is it won’t change anything.
then don’t vote ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Might as well, really. Most people in this country experience no meaningful difference in their life regardless of who we elect.
And they know it, which is why so many don’t bother.
That is the most privileged take I’ve ever seen. I know people who’ve had to move states because of transphobia.
Does it even matter if it affects most people or just some people? If 10% of people need to flee their state or 37% go into poverty because of conservative laws, most people are still fine. That doesn’t make their situations acceptable.
A cornerstone of socially left policy is standing up for minorities and fighting for them to have equal civil rights. By definition, a minority is not “most people”.
If you consider yourself left of center, you need to do some introspection. You can’t write off a minority and still consider yourself on the left.
Most people in this country don’t NOTICE the effect they experience based on who gets voted in. ftfy🙃
It’s not about the voting, at least not directly. It’s about the cost of hiring and maintaining a police force, and the kind of person who would be willing to be a police officer for low pay, versus the type that would want high pay for the same position, and how that affects city budgets.
High pay doesn’t help. There are a lot of very high paying police departments and they’re just as corrupt and violent as the others.
There are a lot of very high paying police departments and they’re just as corrupt and violent as the others.
[Citation required]
LAPD pays almost $90K for officers training in the academy and it goes up from there. They have excellent benefits and an actual pension. Studen loan forgiveness and a bunch of other things. They get paid even more if they work night shifts or overtime.
Yeah, but I’m guessing Los Angeles is an outlier salary wise?
Also, think about it, 90k and you can die at any time, versus other corporate jobs that pay a lot more and death is not an immediate concern in your life.
Takes two types of mindsets to take a police job that has a high risk of death. One where you want to help humanity, and the other where you want to control humanity for power sake.
(Technically I’m assuming there could be a third type, the thrill seeker, but there’s many other career and recreational ways of getting that kind of adrenaline rush so I didn’t include it as one of the major types.)
I’m assuming the ones who want to control humanity will take a lot less money for a job with that risk than the ones who just want to help humanity. We all seem to have some kind of threshold about when we stop wanting to help humanity and start taking care of ourselves.
Neither of the two parties will deliver
Vote
Lmao
Every fucking cop is a fucking monster.
ACAB.
We all have to sit back and let cops do this because they have the power and the military-grade weaponry. What the fuck can we do to stop them?
Well I suppose we could start by abiding by the tender suggestion of a certain document and not let them be the only ones with weapons.
Why do you gun humping morons slide this stupid shit into every fucking conversation?
Was this woman supposed to have whipped out her ar and start blasting the cop car racing towards her?
+1
Why is the solution to police having guns, more guns?
Maybe less guns is the answer?
Maybe?
So get to work on forcing those cops to give up their guns already.
refer you to “what the fuck can we do to stop them?” from the original post, then.
refer you to “So get to work on forcing those cops to give up their guns already” from my comment that you replied to, then.
The “I am rubber you are glue” defense doesn’t work here.
You: “Force cops to give up their guns”
Me: “How?”
You: “Force cops to give up their guns”
Are you trying to say essentially there’s no path forward except the fascist militarization of law enforcement at the sacrifice of all (other than 2A) Constitutional liberty?
I guess the myriad of countries around the world that have heavy gun restrictions and no gun problems aren’t example enough?
No theres just nothing that can be done about americas gun problems. Nothing…
Well if the cops are keeping their guns, then the citizens certainly shall retain that right as well. It is our right anyway, and I’m glad we have that freedom.
Y’all are just going to have to get over your hysterical idea that “getting rid of the guns” is a realistic option. It’s just a simple-minded fantasy due to the fact that our rights are iron-clad, and the millions of unregistered guns in private hands would never be relinquished whether they were banned or not.
I’m not afraid of gun violence, because I can read and understand statistics well enough to comprehend that it’s not a danger significant enough to worry about. It’s not even in the top 10 most common causes of death in the USA. I enjoy a life of general contentment and peace in the USA, doing pretty much whatever the fuck I want on a daily basis, and it is pretty wonderful.
Police have guns in other countries and dont go around shooting people that arent criminals and for no reason. Seems the problem isnt so much the guns but the types or people that are becoming police and the way they are trained. You think there cant be any change because you wont see its affect immediately. It will take time. But it can happen.
Also saying its not even the top 10 cause of death is a bit dumb. So even thought it will help reduce death its not worth dealing with because more people die of other things. Sure.
How.
You really can’t think of anything.
There have been solutions proposed to tighten gun restrictions or just simply to reduce the issue for decades.
There are examples of entire countries where this shit already works.
Honestly at this point saying just “how” is uninformed or disingenuous.
There have been solutions proposed to tighten gun restrictions or just simply to reduce the issue for decades.
I’m all for licensing and registration, that isn’t however reducing the total number.
There are examples of entire countries where this shit already works.
Yes, in general much smaller countries with a much different culture and the fun one, fascistic countries.
Honestly at this point saying just “how” is uninformed or disingenuous.
It isn’t, there isn’t a workable solution proposed at the moment, it’s insanely complex and simply saying “maybe fewer” is the answer is uninformed or disingenuous.
Nothing she could have done, but as the old saying goes: “can’t corner the Dorner!”
Read the original comment again but very, very slowly.
Also, the same can be said for anti-gun people as well. I don’t even talk about guns on here anymore because every time you mention them, you have a bunch of snobs from both sides looking to start a big ass fight over shit totally unrelated to the topic.
Have you ever actually applied any real world logic to this fantasy scenario of yours? It ends up with you extremely and irrevocably dead.
It’s not even the being dead part. Ask yourself, “Is this the society you want? Is this how it should function?”
When forced to interact with them, do you give more respect to flies or wasps?
How exactly do you expect us to get military-grade hardware?
The fuckin’ Army Surplus store dude. The local gun store. Here in America, we have access to it all.
Do we? I don’t see too many APCs available for sale.
Here you go: http://www.exarmyvehicles.com/
That website offers APCs and other tank-like vehicles for sale, with international shipping offered. See their Logistics section for options.
If that’s not a good option, you could always buy a Dodge monster truck like the small dick men of the USA often drive, then pay a welder to add armor plating surrounding the vulnerable areas. 1-inch steel plate should stop most small arms fire.
And how many people who need this sort of thing to fight back against police will be able to afford them and then figure out how to use them properly and then use them in a fight with the police and survive?
Very few, if we’ve been paying attention. Which protests/riots had more cops willing to shoot at those involved? The heavily armed ‘marches’ that we’ve seen, or the large crowds of unarmed individuals? Sure, some of that may have been because of bias from the police, but I guarantee most of it was because they were afraid of starting a shooting when there was the possibility of being shot back at.
Afghanis had no issues
Unless you count the 200,000 who died.
I mean, they DID go against almost every country around them and the US military.
That part is so obvious as to go unsaid
Yeah well they had the CIA on their side and we don’t
