Iran said it launched dozens of drones and ballistic missiles towards Israel on Saturday in a major attack following days of acute tension building up in the region and warnings from the US and elsewhere about a wider conflict erupting.
Air attack warning sirens began wailing over Jerusalem just before 2am local time on Sunday after the weapons were fired a few hours earlier from Iran with US and Jordanian military assisting Israel’s air defenses in intercepting the first incoming barrage.
With weapons believed to be still in the air en route to Israel, Iran’s mission to the United Nations posted on X: “Iran’s military action was in response to the Zionist regime’s aggression against our diplomatic premises in Damascus. The matter can be deemed concluded.”
However, it threatened more severe action in the face of further Israeli aggression and warned the US and Jordan specifically not to assist Israel.
Edit: here are links to the NYT and BBC live feeds.
Edit 2: updated summary and archive to reflect article changes.
I am going to take the US perspective in all this and ask why they fuck are we even getting involved? They are half a world away. Why are Israel and Turkey? US allies? What have they done for us? Because it seems like we give them an awful lot and don’t get very much in return. The US should focus on defending the US and let Israel, Iran and all the rest of them have their part of the world with their conflicts. Just leave us the hell out of it.
Edit: And we need to stay the hell out of their business and leave them the fuck alone to run their countries the way they want to.
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Oil
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Shipping zones for commerce
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Strategic locations for the above
Not looking to be antagonizing, as you’re correct those are the reasons. But it should be said that they are stupid reasons. We should be weaning off oil as quickly as possible. The second point is in a lot of ways a hindrance, as shipping zones means shipping away manufacturing jobs.
And none of that is worth the price of war, or supporting genocide.
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It’s the Middle East. It has a huge amount of a particularly important strategic resource. Additionally, the countries there generally have, at best, a cold relationship with the US. If not outright adversarial.
Israel is smack dab in the middle of it with access to the sea. It holds a massively important strategic military and geopolitical position for the US.
So, sure, what the other poster says is definitely part of it, but I think what primarily drives US support to be seemingly unequivocal is that the US/Israel alliance is also very important to US geopolitical influence as well.
It has a huge amount of a particularly important strategic resource.
This is not accurate. There are multiple nearby allied/NATO countries in the area as well as carrier groups in the Med that more than cover what Israel offers us.
Israel does not offer us a unique strategic advantage in any scenario. They only increase tensions with our existing trade partners in the region and threaten to bring us into wars that they start. They are very much using us, and have been for decades. We allow/justify it because of religious and traditional reasons. Nothing more.
Biden is backing Israel because some of the U.S.'s biggest political donors (AIPAC) will shift their support back to the Republicans in the upcoming election if he doesn’t. Mark my words: Biden will back off Israel support the instant it becomes too late for certain donors to negatively affect the upcoming election.
As for that natural resource, we have quite a bit of it here in the United States itself. So we wouldn’t have to rely on them to get that resource. That, and if the US really wanted to break away, they could very seriously incentivize the purchase of electric mobility devices, such as electric bikes and scooters and cars.
The US is 10th on the list of oil reserves
6 of those above the US are in the middle east (or northern Africa, depending on how you draw your boundaries). 5 of those have more than twice the amount of the US. One has probably around 5x. The US is burning through reserves right now, which is strategically a bad long term idea, IMO.
I agree with you that certain dependance can go away if we shift to electric. However, militarily speaking, oil is going to be king probably for a long time. And that’s what this is about. Not just making sure civilians can drive down the road cheaply, although that certainly plays a role.
Oil is crucial for agriculture and the production of vital chemicals and materials. We really shouldn’t be burning it.
Gotta tell Ya’ll Qaeda that they’ll have to give up their trucks but they can keep plastic straws.
Israel is #91 on that same list. Israel consistently increases tensions with our trade partners in the region. They are a liability to our trade negotiations, not an asset.
The US is a net exporter of oil. They don’t have a hard dependency on the list and it doesn’t matter if they’re 6th or 60th - they have more than they need.
For now. They aren’t just thinking this very second.
You can’t be on top of the global trade and neglect strategic points that protect strategic trade routes. I mean, you can, but it will make USA shrink in global importance even faster. You leave, others fill the void, pay the price, reap the benefits. Isolationism isn’t likely to save the USA world dominance. Dominance which is the very biggest reason your currency is the most stable in the world: it’s backed by the biggest military apparatus ever, stop caring about the world, find out soon when your prices skyrocket and economy crashes. The real question is how the USA should behave in this, not if they should do a thing but rather what they should do.
Israel offers absolutely no unique strategic value to U.S. trade or military logistics. There are nearby NATO countries, bases in nearby allied countries as well as carriers in the Med that more than cover us.
Israel is only a liability to us. They exacerbate tensions with our existing trade partners in the region and risk bringing us into unecessary conflicts.
turkey has a strategic position towards the bosporus and russia, why they get away with a lot of bullshit too, israel is a more important as a reliable foot on the ground for guaranteeing the north end of the suez canal and the eastern end of the mediterranean. Cyprus also plays that role, but is also contested area greece/turkey. Never put all your eggs in one basket, that kind of thing. Carriers are nice but a always a risk (they might not seem so now, but you never know). Israel also offers an extra access point north side of the red sea, would the suez be unaccessible.
I’m not at all saying the usa should just blindly follow israel on its warpath as it has been for many decades. They should try to get netanyahu towards the exit, sooner the better, but just leaving israel altogether is probably not in the best interest for the usa itself, long term geostrategically.
Oh, i hold very few blood notes. Let it crash. My gold will hold its value
Ah you’re one of those people
Yep
I don’t know about Turkey, but US politicians mostly care about Israel because AIPAC pumps a ton of money into US politics, both in the form of funneling it to pro-Israel candidates, and ads and campaign funding against those who don’t bow down to swear fealty to Israel.
To a lesser extent, you also have a large chunk of fundamentalist Christians in the us who will support Israel no matter what because they believe Israel needs to exist as a nation with its full, Biblical territory, in order for Armageddon and the return of Jesus to occur. Just yet another way conservative Christians are trying to wreck the US for their insane beliefs.
Sounds an awful lot like “America First”?
As it should be, I would expect Israel to be Israel first. I would expect Iran to be Iran first. I would expect France to be France first. I would expect China to be China first, etc etc.
I wish we would all be Humans first.
“And I will give you borders they’re imaginary lines. If you cross them, go to war and win when everybody dies. Don’t you see, I’m the system. My whole purpose is divide. What you do will never matter because everything is mine.”
Yeah, Iran sucks and everything, but didn’t Israel start this by bombing their embassy in Syria? If Israel had been held to account for that, maybe we wouldn’t be looking at yet another flashpoint involving a nuclear armed state.
I don’t know what anyone expected Iran to do here.
didn’t Israel start this by bombing their embassy in Syria?
Israel bombed their embassy in Syria as a response to Iran helping Hezbollah and Hamas. At one point an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps spokesman said October 7th was a response to the death of Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani, although they later retracted that. The Israelis wanted Soleimani gone because of his role in supporting Hamas and Hezbollah and earlier attacks on Israel, including his involvement in the 2006 war in Lebanon. Etc. etc. etc. on and on back to before Iran became Iran.
The middle-east is an illustration of the idiom “An Eye for an Eye Will Make the Whole World Blind”.
If we keep going back, Israel has committed far too many hostilities that were never responded to. Hell, they bomb syria most weeks without any retaliation form Syria. They commit horrors against west bank citizens all the time.
If we keep going back, Israel has committed far too many hostilities that were never responded to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
Can you guess how many of these were vetoed by USA
Uhuh.
Anyway, breaking news is that Iran has also launched cruise missiles, so now Israel’s going to retaliate with a significant strike against Iran. And in case you haven’t been paying attention, Israel are less than great on proportionality.
Never a dull day.
Israel doing more genocide. Disappointing but not surprising.
Come on dude, don’t dilute the word for every atrocity. Nothing between Iran and Israel is remotely a genocide , and using that word here diminishes the suffering in Gaza and other places
Call it whatever you want, I literally don’t care about emantics and I won’t argue them. It doesn’t discount the horror that Israel commits.
You cannot say it started with the embassy. Fucks like Hezbollah and Hamas were shooting rockets into israel for a looong time and israel has been doing the same.
It didn’t start with the embassy, it got worse with the embassy. Iran is not in the right here, but Israel is not interested in de-escalation either. Both are warmongers, and it’s the people who lose.
We really just need to lock Netanyahu, the IDF, the Ayatollahs, Hamas, and Hezbollah in one room and let them figure it out for themselves.
And Israel has been attacking Hezbollah and Hamas.
Iran has been surprisingly restrained in not getting directly involved. However, directly attacking an Iranian embassy forces their hand in a way that retaliating against their proxies does not.
This is not some abstract notion about ethics. It is simply a basic strategic observation. The fact that Iran is attacking Israel directly, is a direct and predictably consequence of an strategic decision that Israel made.
You cannot say it started with hezbollah and Hamas were shooting rockets into Israel. The occupation has been committing massscres since 1917.
iran is funding and arming hamas, hizballah and the houthis, all of which were attacking israel.
in addition to their attacks on usa bases.iran is funding and arming hamas, hizballah and the houthis, all of which were attacking israel. in addition to their attacks on usa bases.
don’t forget that those fucks also support Russia with their drones…
Yup. I’ve seen a disturbing amount of people pretending Iran are the good guys just because Israel are also the bad guys, as if it’s impossible for multiple sides in a conflict to be awful
The Good Guy Iran narrative is so bizarre. It’s like applauding someone for “showing restraint” because they hired a hitman instead of killing someone themselves.
It’s also not covered within international law to fund an attack by independent groups, only sovereign nations.
Funding Ukraine makes it legally Ukraine’s action. Funding Houthis makes it legally Iran’s action.
Wait, now you motherfuckers understand how multiple sides can be bad?
All I keep hearing from people like you is how Israel must be fucking great because fucking did something wrong so Israel can’t do anything else wrong
That is absolutely not a popular sentiment here.
Cool it with the targeted language too
I don’t know who the fuck you think you are tell me to cool it, but you’re nobody.
I don’t give a shit if you’re a mod or the admin of this instance.
Ban and go about your damn day
Wasn’t Hamas created in response to Israeli aggression?
Not defending Hamas, but they don’t exist in a vacuum.
The religious extremism that became Hamas was funded and grew to power with Israeli funding.
The goal of Hamas is not “to stop aggression” but to destroy Israel. So it was formed as response to Israel existence, to which many Muslims never agreed.
Israel is born out of aggression
Yes, it does, and it sucks. It’s basically war over there. That said, attacking an embassy is a line where Israel’s actions should have been condemned. The point is not that Iran is in the right in any way, the point is Israel is just as wrong here.
Iran’s response isn’t proportional though. Israel made a single strike on military leaders using a nearby embassy. Launching dozens of drones is an escalation.
It’s not even a smart escalation. It allows Israel to claim they were attacked disproportionately and launch strikes on Iran’s actual military in country. Iran has much worse defenses against cruise missiles and drones. Now they may lose what sympathy they had from other countries.
I predict the US will free the ship Iran took today within a few weeks. Maybe the Navy will knock out all Iran’s anti-air radar in the south, just as a show of force, and then not attack anything. That would be a good way to tell them to stop without killing.
The US just tried to negotiate with Houthis over the attacks in the Red Sea, an
omissionadmission that things aren’t going so well. Iran is in a stronger position than Houthis, I think your over estimating the US right now.Well the whole premise is that the US is trying to play middle ground seacop (shittily). Obviously if they wanted to they could delete the existing houthi command/regime. (And thereby creating Arab quagmire new, electric boogalo)
Have you already forgot Afghanistan?!
Do you need to be reminded how well the US “deleted” the Taliban Poshtun leadership?
Because the Houtis in Yemen is a very similar situation, even to the point of the Houtis also being a mountain people, and they’ve already been enduring American and British bombs delivered by Saudi planes for years now.
The reason the US and Britain, after an initial couple of days of heavy and loud chest pounding, very quickly went very quiet about their attacks on the Houtis following the latter’s attack on shipping, is because it just wasn’t working all that well.
America’s ability to militarilly bully a group into compliance with American wishes relies on the targets being city people, who are pinned down and own shit they don’t want to lose, and doesn’t frigging work on mountain nomads.
Israel doesn’t care about MAD
Theocratic dictatorships tend to be like that. Iran does not care about MAD either, I reckon.
Let’s not forget that it was the US that started this trend of killing Iranian generals.
Has the US ever bombed an embassy? Knowing your post history, I have a feeling you left out that detail for a reason.
Has the US ever bombed an embassy?
Good, 25 years ago and not a part of this conflict. And it was a huge issue. The OP is trying to omit that part of the story.
In any case, hopefully Israel gets what it deserves for the genocide it’s committing.
The Syrian Israeli strike was not on Iran’s embassy. It was on a building next door. An embassey is where you practice consultant affairs. Having a place to discuss military strategy doesn’t count.
As an apologist for the genocide, I know why you do it, I just want other people to see your strategy.
Have you ever worked on your vocabulary? It needs freshoning
Congratulations to the US for breaking apart any sort of pretension of support for international law by allowing Israel to do whatever the fuck they want. Now we’re going to let the crazed leadership of Iran and Israel to drag everyone around them and abroad into further military conflict. Goddamn morons don’t know how to say “this is too far”.
“Crazed leadership of Iran”…which did a proportional retaliatory attack on Israel.
Israel’s response to Hamas is the crazy and the US backing of the genocide is also pretty crazy.
Of course, Iran isn’t the good guys but take a look and recognize that we are the baddies too!
Ah yes, the turmoil between Muslim and Jewish populations which has only existed since the founding of America in 1776.
I wonder if Biden ever regrets creating such dogmatic differences when he gave birth to the cultures of the fertile crescent.
Israel couldn’t function without continued US support, this isn’t some abstract, the US political establishment enables Israeli atrocities and turns a blind eye to their seizing of territory, even just last month Israel annexed Palestinian territory illegally with the full support of the West.
I think the situation is serious enough to avoid making such ridiculous straw-men.
This is an awful take. Jews and Muslim populations are not separate races that have fought since existence. Israeli’s are mostly German; they do not have a corresponding Muslim population.
- Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Muslims lived fine together till Israel started 75 years ago.
- Same with Iranian Jews and Iranian Muslims.
- Same with Iraqis, Yemenis, and North Africans
Warden (War loving Biden) has focused more on Israel than abortion, legalizing marijuana, equality, health insurance, taxes, and everything else he promised since he has took office.
TIL 1.3% is mostly from wiki
also learned that 20% muslim arabs dont exist
As of 2019, Arab citizens of Israel composed 21 percent of the country’s total population.[54] About 82 percent of the Arab population in Israel are Sunni Muslims, a very small minority are Shia Muslims, another 9 percent are Druze, and around 9 percent are Christian (mostly Eastern Orthodox and Catholic denominations).
Everything from the table in your image is still considered as “German Jews.”
Arab Israelis are what Israelis call certain Palestinians but mostly the Bedouin that never identified as Palestinian (generally the desert south where nationality isn’t the norm). It’s not an accident that Israel is considered a Western nation. The people are from Europe (not that there’s anything wrong with Western values; it’s just they should belong in the countries developed them as their own culture).
Bedouin make for about 10% of all muslims in Israel
In 2019, the official number of Arab residents in Israel was 1,890,000 people
According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as of 1999, 110,000 Bedouins live in the Negev, 50,000 in the Galilee and 10,000 in the central region of Israel
and most jews arent european either
There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as “Ashkenazi”, “Mizrahi”, etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study, in a sample meant to be representative of the Israeli Jewish population, about 44.9% percent of Israel’s Jewish population were categorized as Mizrahi (defined as having grandparents born in North Africa or Asia), 31.8% were categorized as Ashkenazi (defined as having grandparents born in Europe, the Americas, Oceania and South Africa), 12.4% as “Soviet” (defined as having progenitors who came from the ex-USSR in 1989 or later), about 3% as Beta Israel (Ethiopia) and 7.9% as a mix of these, or other Jewish group
in what country does jewish culture belongs?
Those in the area of places like Nazareth are simply Palestinians. Some of them seem to have a “Palestinian-Israeli” identity. As of now; they know of their Palestinian origins. They follow Palestinian traditions and are now starting to protest the war in Gaza (though it took them 6 months to get permission to protest I guess – perhaps you can clarify).
I’ll give you Haifa where so many Palestinians were killed or purged out, Arab culture may have gotten weaker. I have read that Haifa Palestinians fit best in Israeli society.
Looking around on the internet, I see that Jaffa has an actual “Palestinian” (not Palestinian-Israeli or Arab Israeli) identifying position. Which makes sense as Jaffa was a Palestinian town and Tel Aviv was built around it.
There are no government statistics categorizing Israeli Jews as “Ashkenazi”, “Mizrahi”, etc, but studies and estimates have been conducted.[50][51] In a 2019 study,
Is this self-identified or is it genetic based? I’m a little curious on how Israeli culture is affected by European Jews raising a lot of the North African
in what country does jewish culture belongs?
This is a loaded question. The Palestinians had to be pushed around a lot. I see posts about how Gaza actually had many Palestinian refugees. The issue isn’t Israeli’s are mainly Jewish; it’s about the crimes done by foreign actors against Palestinians who are the natives of Palestine. Your question FEELS more like “should not we keep punishing Palestinians for getting in the way of setting up a country on their land?” Another way to put it is why are Palestinians still paying for Hitler’s atrocities while Germany is doing so well?
Also, Germany and France have a lot of antisemitic laws, to answer your question directly.
edit: I guess I should call those laws anti-antisemitic laws
I’m impressed. Every single thing you just wrote is incorrect. That’s a rare achievement, even around here. “Israeli’s [sic] are mostly German” takes the cake though.
They don’t call them Ashkanazi Jews for no reason. Words have etymology. Ashkanaz is supposedly the Blibical ancestor of the areas centered around Germany, including Poland. This is why their language is derivative of German (Yiddish). Ober time they moved north into Ukraine and Russia, so Yiddish developed some Slavic words.
So now the Zionist spam brigades have started infesting Lemmy as well judging from some of the comments here. Very sad to see that. Last time I checked on Reddit it was already unbearable there.
This is really bad news, and by no means do I support Iran. But the attack on Irans embassy should have caused sanctions and condemnations. Instead Biden rushed to defend Israel as if Israel wouldn’t have started this.
I can’t believe what a fucking tragedy this is. With the US elections upcoming, Biden being prepared to die on this hill is what may actually cause that Trump wins and the US turns into full on fascism. Needless to say Trump won’t do jackshit for Palestinians either.
This is all due to the breakdown of norms by allowing Israel to do whatever it wants. Respect for American soft power is non existent because of the double standard with Israel, Russia and the Middle East. Now American citizens get dragged into another war that they don’t want by the ruling class.
Not just allowing israel to do so, but providing them with weapons and now America and the UK are even intercepting any retaliation. Making sure nobody can fight back against the bully.
Western media hypocrisy made it seem mike an ordinary thing to target embassies, which have a very particular status akin to targeting the homeland territory , some mainstream media barely touched upon the news or dismissed it completely, if it were any other country like Russia targeting an EU embassy in asia or Africa it would have been non-stop news and escalation. they manufacture the outrage on small issues and keep the people ignorant on more important ones.
“Embassies.”
Fuck off promptly
My local news straight up called these air attacks “Iranian aggression”. No, you fuckers, Israel went first this time. Usually it’s a slight slant but that’s just lies.
“went first”? Are we just sweeping under the rug Iran’s role on the 7th of October?
How far back do you want to go, lol? It’s easy to skip back to the last “tat” in a series of “tit-for-tat” that stretches back to the 40’s at least. The hardliners on both sides like to go back all the way to mythology, and while that’s obviously backwards it at least is intellectually honest.
On the 6th there was a ceasefire, then what Hamas did on the 7th changed that. People going further back are apologists looking to justify the unjustifiable.
Wowee, that’s so arbitrary.
Silliness to try and justify the taking of human life. No matter, “who started it.”
But that’s an awfully simplistic take too. I’m not defending Israel’s actions, but if these officers have been involved in either “starting it” or even the continued war, taking of human lives, they are valid targets. Having them run and hide in a diplomatic building while continuing to participate in the war, continuing to take human lives, is surely frustrating. To the country whose lives they are taking.
I’m not trying to take Israel’s side here, just saying that you can’t just take this attack out of context
The same embassy that was full of Hezbollah? Iran is a terrorist state that sponsors terrorism.
By terrorism you mean brown people committing acts of violence? This is a response to Israel attacking Iran much like the genocide in Palestine is a response to Hamas attacking Israel.
Terrorist is a meaningless word.
Would you prefer Jihadist?
Yes. But then you run up against the fact there’s plenty of Jewish holy warriors in Israel, including in the government, so it starts looking morally equivalent again.
If you had to pick between Israel and Saudi Arabia to move your family to which one would you choose?
Irrelevant, embassies are internationally protected sanctuaries.
Based on what evidence? Even if it were, an attack on an embassy or consulate is akin to attacking their territory. If Israel has a right to retaliate against Hamas then Iran has every right to retaliate against Israel.
The Iranian General they killed planned the October 6th massacre near Gaza.
I think it’s fair to rush to intercept. It’s a purely defensive action, and if they’re able to intercept the entire barrage of attacks, Israel may not retaliate. It’s in everyone’s best interest – Iran included – that this doesn’t escalate even farther and farther.
Iran had all the right to do this, but that doesn’t mean they should have. The ideal situation would be for the US and company to prevent attacks from landing and then telling Israel to end their genocidal operations unless they want to face the next wave themselves.
And if Israel refuses, then let Netanyahu handle it himself. Make good on our threat to not help.
Unfortunately, I’m not certain it’s in Israel’s best interest that this doesn’t escalate. They can probably do serious damage to Iran whereas the reverse is far less certain (evidently from this attack). And they knew very well that their embassy attack will bring Iranian retaliation. Now they’ll just use that for an even greater response.
From coverage I just read:
The U.S. has no doubt Israel will respond whether lives are lost or not. And that Iran itself will be targeted.
My hot take: at least Iran didn’t shoot down its own civilian airliner this time thinking they were taking out a US bomber or whatever. My fear is that Iran thinks it’s ordained by Dog to restore Islam to its rightful place (read: cleanse Israel of all the Jews and and put decent Muslim folk in charge of all the holy piles of rocks), and maybe that means their strategic calculus isn’t exactly sober. Perhaps they think they can win a war with Israel, what with Dog on their side, and they absolutely cannot. Iran has said they are willing to let this wave of attacks be the end of the matter so let’s hope they are sober enough to not keep going blow for blow. So far it seems to be a proportionate response by Iran (given that almost nothing seems to have made it through (though I am not sure what their targets were, specifically)). I’d like to see Iran have a nice Arab spring and see the Supreme Leader get the respect he deserves just like Gaddafi, but I’d be just ducky if it could be a drone strike. Hopefully this doesn’t devolve into utter catastrophe and a cascade of failed states.
They’ve been here for a while. Try reading new posts and find the negative vote comments. Same for y’all-queda and the qultists and white supremacists, and tankies, and most misinformation campaigns. It is the internet after all.
God I hope this place doesn’t turn into something like Voat where it’s just another 4chan like environment filled with all the users banned for posting racist shit and CP.
Nah, mods here are pretty liberal with the banhammer.
Banned for calling mods liberals
Yep. They had CP come through a couple of the communities and they locked that shit down pretty quickly.
Some motherfuckers don’t know how to act.
Who do you think the tankies support in this conflict? Or, is this just poisoning the well to help Israel / US?
“Tankie” doesn’t coincide with any distinct political bloc, it’s essentially a buzzword to discredit leftists that are claimed to support authoritarian regimes. But what one might call a tankie in this instance would support Palestine as ‘tankies’ are against the US and their proxies.
Someone who supports Palestine and is against the US is not automatically a Tankie. But if this person at the same time makes excuses for the Russian invasion or argues that Taiwan belongs to China, then they are.
Hypocrisy (lying / arguing in bad faith) is exactly what makes the difference between a leftist and a Tankie.
Two shiteaters squabble. More at 6
So, uh, are we doing World War 3 now? Just asking because I need to know if I should be canceling my summer plans and investing in canned food.
No. Sorry. This is Cold War II.
Cold wars don’t have direct conflict. Jesus.Nevermind.
I know Israel is a small country of only 10M people with a traumatic history surrounded by enemies…so they need to act tough in their neighbourhood, take no shit and all…but they start to feel like the tiny angry girlfriend who dates a big guy and picks up fights in every bar expecting everyone to be afraid that her date will come to the rescue every time…
Israel is an apartheid. Stop falling for the Holocaust sympathy propaganda. The country is rotten to the core and doesn’t represent Jews.
It is an open air prison, no doubt about that. Yet the apartheid in this case did not arise out of pure racism, but as a reaction to a history of constant suicide bombings. Besides, there are 2 million palestinian israelis living peacefully inside Israel…but there is also a part of Israel that does not help their case either by covering for every nationalist invading the West Bank or the cruelty they allow to go unpunished e.g. Shireen Abu Akleh.
It’s an apartheid, but it’s good. Get out of here.
What would you have done?
Stop being an apartheid and have a truth and reconciliation process to correct the wrongs done to the Palestinians.
Painting Israel as a victim just for having a small population / geography… I don’t know about that. They’ve committed far too many massscres since their inception to be portrayed like that.
They were victims of the Holocaust. They were aggressors in the Nakba. They were probably victims one or more times after that, as well as aggressors (I’m a bit fuzzy on that history, honestly), and now they’re aggressors doing a “proportionate genocide” in Gaza. And they want to start shit with Iran, which might just be a case of two assholes fighting each other.
Jews were victims of the Holocaust
Zionists were aggressors in the Nakba
Don’t conflate Judaism with Zionism
Yeah, but Zionism is a Jewish movement, and I doubt there were many Zionists who got through the Holocaust unscathed. It was the major motivating factor for actually doing it, so it is a big part of the picture.
Signed, a (technically) Jewish anti-Zionist.
Zionism is a Jewish movement
It’s a movement that concerns followers of Judaism. But plenty of Zionists are Evangelicals etc. And Zionism has always had support from Non-Jews, dating back to its 19th century origins
but they start to feel like the tiny angry girlfriend who dates a big guy and picks up fights in every bar expecting everyone to be afraid that her date will come to the rescue every time…
Lol, I called them US’s little Chihuahua dog that rabidly barks at any moving object
Also they have started the hostilities and made enemies of neighbors, not like they weren’t offered a fair share of land even in the face of them settling in there because the big ex-boyfriend just forced so.
Chihuahuas don’t kill so many children.
So pitbull then
Netanyahu picked this fight, he should fight it himself. Otherwise its just encouraging other US allies to create chaos in bids for additional military support. Turkey is probably taking notes right now.
Turkey is watching and taking notes about how the US supports full on genocide if you are Jew and doing it. If you are a Muslim or Turkish, the US will keep on supporting the local terror organizations like PKK through bordering YPG branch.
Turkey is researching ways to become Jewish.
Edit: Not just about the US but also the UK, France and Germany that oppresses protests against Israel’s genocide and arming Netanyahu with offensive weapons and using their own ships to defend against any retaliatory attacks. Turkey keeps thinking if her allies are the bad guys.
*iran defends itself after israel brazenly attacked their embassy in syria
I know this is not the time for this typa comment, but I’m really annoyed that what I said last week is proven true
Imma be completely honest and say that Iran probably won’t do anything except maybe throw some cruise missiles from afar that hit some random outpost or send a drone because they don’t want to risk anything.
I’d love to see a competent air force take on the IAF, but I don’t think anyone in the middle east actually has one besides Israel and the USA’s own bases.
This attack is over hyped and kinda lame. When India and Pakistan had beef in 2019, they had a whole ass air skirmish which ended with a captured pilot, fratricide’d helicopter, a crap ton of artillery barrages, and possibly a second aircraft shot down.
Regardless of the poor reasoning behind it, at least they had the guts to fight each other properly.
Iran is just sitting back and sending a swarm of drones that will probably fail to deal any damage proportional to their embassy attack, all the while escalating with Israel which gives both Israel and the USA a reason to send even more weapons and supplies and finish their job decimating Gaza.
I’ll fix the title:
Iran launches more than 300 drones and missiles at Israel overnight
drone attack against Israelas Biden rushes to White HouseSource: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/13/world/israel-iran-gaza-war-news
Archived source: https://archive.md/UPTOA
Iran has officially declared the start of the attack on Israel. “The evil regime will be punished,” its leader said.
LOL! Iran calling someone else evil is really something. I’m eager to see where this round of fuck around and find out ends, since Israel is not known for forgivness. Only good thing I see at the moment is that Iran maybe has to stop supporting the russians to save equipment for their own stupid war.
I didn’t realize that whenever you punched someone else and they punched back that’s fucking around and finding out.
Israel started this, remember that.
The stupid fucking British are involved.
Everybody wants to kick off fucking World War III because Israel wanted to fucking destroy shit and then hide because they’re too tiny to do anything about it
By that logic Iran started this by funding Hamas and meeting with them. Israel responded, now they respond, then Israel will respond.
I too can go back further in history, when do you draw a line?
Pick any place.
This is Iran trying to stir shit up to quell their internal rebellion.
Iran government is a failing and trying to take down with it anything they can.
They thought that only Israel will defend itself , but also the power of the USA, Jordan, France and more where there to defeat it’s evil attack.
I hope for peace for everyone and the best of the Israeli and Iranian citizens.
What was evil about Iran’s attack? It was in response to an attack on their territory, and only damaged military infrastructure with no deaths unlike every attack by Israel.
Weird world we’re in. One country retaliating against another, and for some reason the reaction of a country on the other side of the world is the news. If only biden gave half as much of a shit about his own country.
